mancini's patronising words

[mammutly]

I don't think we played a negative game yesterday. We need to play at a faster pace with more movement, but that was the message Mancini was constantly trying to get across.

There is virtually no link between our attack and defence because we were playing 2 defensive midfielders, sat in front of a back 4 and keeper for the whole 90 mins. That left us with just 4 players going against Brums flat back 10! Agreed that the speed of passing is dismally slow but again, its not helped by the fact that we have 7 players who have been told to keep shape, keep the formation and dont push up! Its obvious to see.

And what was Yaya doing yesterday then?

 

[blueinsa]

There is virtually no link between our attack and defence because we were playing 2 defensive midfielders, sat in front of a back 4 and keeper for the whole 90 mins. That left us with just 4 players going against Brums flat back 10! Agreed that the speed of passing is dismally slow but again, its not helped by the fact that we have 7 players who have been told to keep shape, keep the formation and dont push up! Its obvious to see.

And what was Yaya doing yesterday then?

For the vast majority of the game.....nothing! A couple and a mean, couple of runs forward and that's it. Im talking about a cohesive, attacking display mate and at present, it's disjointed at best and non-existent for the most part and our goals for speaks volumes. Bobby has to learn to trust his players more and take the shackles off so to speak. A back 4 would have sufficed yesterday leaving us with 6 players going forward, pushing on, applying pressure and offering good movement and quick passing. They should have been told to keep the tempo high and to work the ball, pulling the Brum players about, creating the space for players to run into. We didn't do that, we were pedestrian, obvious in our play and it was an easy day for the Brum defenders to be honest. Our back 4 yesterday are top quality international defenders. He had his first choice back 4 out and we had Englands number one in the nets. Trust them, especially against a team hell bent on a draw.

 

[Rammy Blue]

I've heard it all now. Comparing the kind of day in day out work that goes into being a footballer and manager, the hours on the training ground and the endless watching videos of opponents to having a season ticket and being a fan?

A manager sees every single day who is performing well in training and what players attitudes are like, fans see it for 90 minutes. Fans want to be entertained, managers want results. Managers trust certain players and don't trust others, fans trust anyone who shows 'passion' for the shirt.

It's all very well on having an opinion about how the manager is performing and you might disagree with some decisions but to compare being a season ticket holder to being a premiership manager is ludicrous regardless of how much money you spend.

can't argue with this.

I can, and will argue with it.

Please also bear in mind I am a Bob fan....

I concede the point that we don't see training and attitude away from the ground however I have watched an enormous amount of Prem football more than Bob has.

Once Bob has selected the side and they take the pitch in front of my eyes and his then imo we are on a relatively level playing field, the game is on and if something is not working then changes within personnel or system need to be made.

Within 5 minutes of the game starting yesterday it was bleeding obvious that we were going to struggle to break them down, by half time it was unbelievably obvious that a change was required.

Just because Yaya was bought by Bob for 25mil and is on approx 200k per week shouldn't mean he is entitled to play the full 90 mins.

In my opinion RSC should have been on at half time with Carlos dropping in behind him whilst Milner and AJ attempted to get balls into the box.

Whether we would have won if different changes were made we will never know but certainly imo Bob got it wrong yesterday.

 

[Balti]

Mancini is making a fair observation.

A lot of people do seem to think the solution to not scoring is just more strikers.

According to a lot of people on here, the only thing to do when we are chasing a game is to bring on more forwards.

We should, of course, have finished yesterday playing 2 -2 -6 for at least the last 10 minutes.

No, a lot of us think the key to scoring more goals is pressing further up the pitch and committing more players into the box, especially at home and especially against a team that parks the fucking bus. Nothing wrong with the side yesterday, just the way Bobby had them playing!

this and that

 

[VOOMER]

it's a strange forum at times, if anyone has the audacity to question or doubt the manager then there is a fair chance you will get a tirade of abuse, even though you have spent a small fortune and a lot of time and effort to "support"
the team.

it's also assumed that by and large a football fan knows nothing, even though he may dedicate virtually all of his life watching the game, while the ex blessed footballer knows absolutely everything there is to know and to question him is a crime, even though virtually all the media are condoning what they are witnessing.

arsene wenger never played the game to any standard, and mourinhio even less, but those guys must be flukes, because like i say, according to many unless you have played at the top level you know nothing, other than having the ability to part with your season ticket money and 40/50 quid every other week, but hey don't question nothing.

if you want to be entertained, then don't say it out loud, because to many that is something that is out of the question, what do you mean you have spent 150 quid to watch the blues and you want to enjoy it aswell, whats up with you.

comparisions to the last vilified manager are well out of order as well, because hey we are approximately improving to the tune of about 0.0001 points per game, so to doubt the present incumbent is beyond the pale, of course we are improving, even though most people you are sat with at the match are bored shitless.

its best just to keep your head down and paint on a false smile, and keep parting with the cash.

The last manager had 3 transfer windows , 2 full pre-season with no world cup and a squad that qualified for europe, he not only took the squad backwards, but insisted on firing everyone he could, alienating Jim Cassell, Elano and anyone else he could to replace them with a list of welsh nobodies, most of whom have drifted of into obscurity. Several players have greatly improved under the current manager whereas under the last one numerous players regressed. Hart, thankfully had a season at Birmingham, which probably helped save his career. Given was bought, because he was a veteran keeper who needed no tutelage, anyone that did was fucked. You could write a book about Hughes's general twat like behaviour at our club, which had nothing to do with being successfull. We have had a harder start to the season, that last season, we had a world cup that seriously disrupted our pre-season and player purchasing, we are in 4th and the same people that bleated about Hughes (never appointed by the owners and the winner of zero trophies), not getting enough time (at least 2 seasons is what you wanted), aren't prepared to give a proven winner half that!

 

[Ricster]

Dont give a shit if Mancini's words are patronising or not, i'm also pretty sure his comments are made towards some fans not all the fans.

Thing that gets me is probably some who have their backs up on this thread slagging Mancini, are probably the same moron's that booed Mancini yesterday.

What's that old saying... oh yeah... if you cant take it, dont give it.

I'm pretty sure if someone insulted one of you guys you'd have a response. Why cant Mancini?

Alot of moron's within our support now, an awful lot!

Feel free to slag me for telling it how it is, i'm expecting it, cos the truth hurts.

Over to you.... moron's.

 

[jay_mcfc]

I can, and will argue with it.

Please also bear in mind I am a Bob fan....

I concede the point that we don't see training and attitude away from the ground however I have watched an enormous amount of Prem football more than Bob has.

Once Bob has selected the side and they take the pitch in front of my eyes and his then imo we are on a relatively level playing field, the game is on and if something is not working then changes within personnel or system need to be made.

Within 5 minutes of the game starting yesterday it was bleeding obvious that we were going to struggle to break them down, by half time it was unbelievably obvious that a change was required.

Just because Yaya was bought by Bob for 25mil and is on approx 200k per week shouldn't mean he is entitled to play the full 90 mins.

In my opinion RSC should have been on at half time with Carlos dropping in behind him whilst Milner and AJ attempted to get balls into the box.

Whether we would have won if different changes were made we will never know but certainly imo Bob got it wrong yesterday.

Watching hours and hours of football as a fan is vastly different to watching hours and hours of football as a manager. If you can't see that then there's no hope.

You'd have brought Santa on at half time, I wouldn't have let him near the game until absolutely necessary. It's all about opinions. I'd have put Silva on the left, AJ on the right, pushed Yaya to behind Tevez and put Milner in centre midfield. I'd have told the full backs to not worry about defending and go help us in attack.

I'm not saying that managers don't make mistakes and sometimes some fans can see things the manager can't. I'm also not saying people can't have opinions on the manager but to suggest that because some fans are season ticket holders and spend money on buying tickets then they are capable of somehow being managers is insane.

 

[Bill]

can't argue with this.

I can, and will argue with it.

Please also bear in mind I am a Bob fan....

I concede the point that we don't see training and attitude away from the ground however I have watched an enormous amount of Prem football more than Bob has.

Once Bob has selected the side and they take the pitch in front of my eyes and his then imo we are on a relatively level playing field, the game is on and if something is not working then changes within personnel or system need to be made.

Within 5 minutes of the game starting yesterday it was bleeding obvious that we were going to struggle to break them down, by half time it was unbelievably obvious that a change was required.

Just because Yaya was bought by Bob for 25mil and is on approx 200k per week shouldn't mean he is entitled to play the full 90 mins.

In my opinion RSC should have been on at half time with Carlos dropping in behind him whilst Milner and AJ attempted to get balls into the box.

Whether we would have won if different changes were made we will never know but certainly imo Bob got it wrong yesterday.

can't argue with this.

 

[AustinBlue]

According to the stats at ESPN) we created 8 shots in the last 8 minutes, with 4 on goal. Barry had one of them. Zab nearly scored. A chance a minute. I'd say that was a sackful.

Funnily enough I was there, I take it from your location and quote of stats that you weren't?

How does watching the game on a high definition television disqualify me from having an opinion about how the team played? I'm sick we didn't win, but to say we didn't create chances is provably wrong. We didn't score. But we created chances.

 

[FORZA CITY]

I think alot of people aren't taking into account the fact that we hammered these 5-1 last season, so it came as no suprise to me that they were more than happy to ''park the bus'' to avoid a repeat of last seasons mauling.