Mangala transfer papers leaked

And to those that believe Mangala will be sold this summer, do you think it wise that we go back into the market for another centre back this summer? I think that would make 6 summers in a row where we've changed personnel at centre back. How does a defence ever become settled if it never gets a chance to settle?

Bear in mind that we're already changing personnel in that position with Demichelis on his way this summer and Denayer likely replacing him.

There's also question marks over Vinnie's future.

I believe it probably do more harm than good looking to offload Mangala.
 
Dax777 said:
Why do you think this?
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Nothing more than a hunch, of course, based on what I think will, fairly obviously, be the most significant change that Guardiola will bring in terms of our defending - namely, the insistence that we defend aggressively and with a proper high defensive line (which is something that, to my mind, we don't do at the moment - it's more often the case that we defend too deep, especially in the first phase of play). And it think it's fair to say that this is, obviously, Mangala's game - I'm sure it's why he was identified as a potential signing, and we've seen him look impressive when we have actually defended that much higher up the pitch (Chelsea at home last season a prime example, the opening matches of this season, too). To date, we haven't really seen Otamendi play that way for us - it doesn't mean he can't, of course (I didn't watch him too much in Spain, for example), but just about my only criticism of him would be that he tends to drop off too deep, too early - he seems more comfortable with players running at him, rather than holding a position higher up the pitch, which is something I don't think Guardiola will allow as a matter of course. So as much as Otamendi is the better footballer, and might thus seem better suited to Guardiola, I just have an inkling that Mangala might possibly thrive even more in the new defensive set up.

But let's be clear, I'm talking a matter of very minor degrees here. I rate both Otamendi and Mangala, and would be more than happy to see us go into next season with those two, plus Kompany and Denayer, and be comfortable with playing any permutation of the four (unless there is clear evidence to suggest Vinny's injuries are career-threatening).
 
I suspect Mangala will look a better player with a good left back. A few times this season he's been left exposed when Kolarov is caught upfield.
 
By all accounts he is a really nice guy and has to be dragged off the pitch after every training session. He obviously has talent and like someone else has alluded too, a decent left back would do him the world of good. I think a manager like Mancini would do wonders for him as well (purely for working on his positional play/concentration each day). £42m though! We had our pants well and truly pulled down there didn't we.
 
Just looking at the contract, Porto owned 100% of the registration rights and 56.67% of the economic rights. Also, when he went to Porto 3 years earlier, the fee was reported as £4.5m, meaning that the third parties (assuming they paid pro-rata) contributed £2m. Three years later, we know we paid Porto £24m and, as Slashman X said earlier in the thread, the transfer was delayed while we negotiated with the third parties. Why would we bother doing that if there was a cast-iron agreement to pay their percentage?

If the £32m figure reported by Porto is correct, that would mean we'd paid £8m for the rest of the economic rights, giving the third parties a 400% return/£6m profit over those three years. That's not a bad return for them.
 
warpig said:
By all accounts he is a really nice guy and has to be dragged off the pitch after every training session. He obviously has talent and like someone else has alluded too, a decent left back would do him the world of good. I think a manager like Mancini would do wonders for him as well (purely for working on his positional play/concentration each day). £42m though! We had our pants well and truly pulled down there didn't we.
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We surely did and should have got better value for the amount spent. However, I just have a feeling don't really know why that this guy might improve and given that imo it is highly likely that we will have to replace VK sooner rather than later and with MD on his way it might be worth sticking with him for one more season at least
 
MillionMilesAway said:
I suspect Mangala will look a better player with a good left back. A few times this season he's been left exposed when Kolarov is caught upfield.
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There are and always have been very few genuine wide players around, certainly of the class we aim for, and for this reason wing backs are generally the order of the day. So if Kolarov or Sagna get caught out up field, its often up to the CBs to save the situation. Whether we like it or not, the system works well when VK is there to supervise everything, but when he's not there the defensive record is nothing special. From this, I can only assume it's nothing to do with Kolarov who may be playing according to instructions. It has to be down to the other defenders who may not be good enough, and I will leave it at that.
 
BlueAnorak said:
We paid ALL the cash to Porto. They paid the third parties.
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Looking at the 2014 accounts, our net expenditure post year end was £38.8m, with incoming players being Caballero, Fernando, Zuculini, Lampard, Sagna & Mangala. Outgoing players were Garcia, Rodwell & Hughes.

We got something like £25m for the outgoing players, meaning our gross expenditure was around £64m. Lampard & Sgana were free transfers and Zuculini was about £1.5m. So that leaves £62.5m for Caballero, Fernando & Mangala. The latter two were about £18m which leaves around £44m for Mangala. But what we don't know is what signing-on or other related fees we paid. If we paid £10m to both Lampard & Sagna, then it's quite conceivable we only paid £32m or thereabouts for Mangala.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Looking at the 2014 accounts, our net expenditure post year end was £38.8m, with incoming players being Caballero, Fernando, Zuculini, Lampard, Sagna & Mangala. Outgoing players were Garcia, Rodwell & Hughes.

We got something like £25m for the outgoing players, meaning our gross expenditure was around £64m. Lampard & Sgana were free transfers and Zuculini was about £1.5m. So that leaves £62.5m for Caballero, Fernando & Mangala. The latter two were about £18m which leaves around £44m for Mangala. But what we don't know is what signing-on or other related fees we paid. If we paid £10m to both Lampard & Sagna, then it's quite conceivable we only paid £32m or thereabouts for Mangala.
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Is agent's fees included in them player trading figures in the accounts or is that separate?
 
Rolee said:
Is agent's fees included in them player trading figures in the accounts or is that separate?
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Just had a chance to check and the general rule (as per FFP) is that anything that benefits the player directly (such a a signing on fee) should go through the Profit & Loss Account as an employee benefit expense. We declare that we spread it over the life of the contract so a £10m signing-on fee for a 5-year contract would go in at £2m per year. However any costs directly related to securing the player's services should be included in the balance sheet, as part of the transfer fee. So I'd guess that includes agent fees, if we pay them directly. If we pay the player, who then pays the agent (which seems to be what the rags do according to Gill) it would be an employee benefit.
 
I was willing to give the lad a chance, but i'm sorry to say he is in the same boat as Bony ie not good enough!
£32 million or whatever it was is beggers belief really!!!
Saying that if he is in the team, or Bony for that matter, i will cheer them on etc
 
mosssideblue said:
Care to list them
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Really?
Keeping in mind that I am talking about players for which we paid amounts for that they were just not worth.

Santa Cruz
Jo
Mangala
Bony
Rodwell
Garcia (was ok in the end but certainly not worth what we paid for him, ironically was sold when he was just coming good)
Milner (sorry, not worth 26m)
Otamendi (decent player, not worth what we paid for him)
 
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capiloton said:
we got robbed twice by porto. 1st with fernando, while his contract due to expire on that summer, and we can sign him under bosman rule on january, but he get force to sign a new contract with clause. instead sign for free, we paid £12 million for fernando. 2nd for mangala, with no other club in race for his signing, we paid £30+ million for an unknown player outside of portugal. he's not a dominance player in champions league, and not even a regular national player. bad business for every party involved. we should not sign anyone from porto again.
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This is not even remotely accurate. Mangala was the most desired, young CB on the market. Every big team under the sun was heavily linked to him while he was at Porto. Chelsea and United were involved that summer as well, but other big clubs had been mentioned with him over the course of the previous season. United were very close to actually signing him rather than us.
 
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