Mansour and Khaldoon's targets

[peoffrey]

That's rubbish mate. He wasn't sacked for that. And we are not Inter.

The official reason they gave regarding Mancini's dismissal was their continued failure in Europe despite lifting 3 consecutive league titles. Whilst I'm disappointed that City may crash out of the Champions League without even qualifying from their group, I don't feel this would be a valid reason for us to get rid. It's all about perspective because 3 League titles are sufficient for a Club still progressing.

can you link us to somewhere where we can read that "official reason" ? thanks in advance...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/7426549.stm

Your smug response has actually backfired because you've made your "friend" look even worse than his continued failure in Europe has. I'd pay his taxi fare to his next Club if he ever threatened to quit City and then change his mind. It makes him look weak and completely undermines his own position in the Club. It's such a stupid, stupid thing to do as a Manager.

 

[vulcan]

Our target is the title, nothing else matters..... For now.

This.

 

[Mancio]

The official reason they gave regarding Mancini's dismissal was their continued failure in Europe despite lifting 3 consecutive league titles. Whilst I'm disappointed that City may crash out of the Champions League without even qualifying from their group, I don't feel this would be a valid reason for us to get rid. It's all about perspective because 3 League titles are sufficient for a Club still progressing.

can you link us to somewhere where we can read that "official reason" ? thanks in advance...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/7426549.stm

Your smug response has actually backfired because you've made your "friend" look even worse than his continued failure in Europe has. I'd pay his taxi fare to his next Club if he ever threatened to quit City and then change his mind. It makes him look weak and completely undermines his own position in the Club. It's such a stupid, stupid thing to do as a Manager.

maybe this is a bit too "italian" for you to understand mate. but i'm sure if you try to do an effort you can understand the difference from to be sacked cause "poor CL results" and to be sacked cause "a press conference were mancini let know to all the world he already knew he was going to be sacked end season"

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

maybe this is a bit too "italian" for you to understand mate. but i'm sure if you try to do an effort you can understand the difference from to be sacked cause "poor CL results" and to be sacked cause "a press conference were mancini let know to all the world he already knew he was going to be sacked end season"

You talked about the "official" reason and the official reason was given by Moratti as his actions after the Liverpool game.

We all know football managers and owners don't always tell us the whole truth but it's a fair assumption that Mancini's action was driven by the knowledge that Mourinho was lined up to succeed him (in the same way that Hughes' action in forcing a showdown was driven by the fact that he knew the club were looking to replace him at the end of the season).

So why was Mourinho lined up in the first place? You say that Mancini was at loggerheads with people at Inter but if you want an easy-going "yes man" then Jose would not be your first choice. Or your second or third. You choose Mourinho because he's a very good manager who can give you a better chance of European success. That's why Chelsea employed him, that's why Inter employed him and that's why Real Madrid employed him. Everyone knows he's an arsehole but he's a damn good arsehole.

 

[Mancio]

maybe this is a bit too "italian" for you to understand mate. but i'm sure if you try to do an effort you can understand the difference from to be sacked cause "poor CL results" and to be sacked cause "a press conference were mancini let know to all the world he already knew he was going to be sacked end season"

You talked about the "official" reason and the official reason was given by Moratti as his actions after the Liverpool game.

We all know football managers and owners don't always tell us the whole truth but it's a fair assumption that Mancini's action was driven by the knowledge that Mourinho was lined up to succeed him (in the same way that Hughes' action in forcing a showdown was driven by the fact that he knew the club were looking to replace him at the end of the season).

So why was Mourinho lined up in the first place? You say that Mancini was at loggerheads with people at Inter but if you want an easy-going "yes man" then Jose would not be your first choice. Or your second or third. You choose Mourinho because he's a very good manager who can give you a better chance of European success. That's why Chelsea employed him, that's why Inter employed him and that's why Real Madrid employed him. Everyone knows he's an arsehole but he's a damn good arsehole.

if you are interested in the true reason of the sack i already said which they were. don't forget that mancini's contract was extended in september , then mancini tried to get more power in the board and this started a war from mancini/oriali vs branca/the doctor and moratti had to do a choice. unfortunally for inter he did the wrong one , as often he did in his ownership history. so in december (3 months later having given a 4 years 7M per year contract to mancini) moratti meet and signed mourinho. as you can easy understand nothing connected with the mith of mancini's poor CL results , as first mourinho season then showed becouse with mancini's team (+ 50M wasted signing quaresma-muntari and mansini ) mourinho did worst than mancini in CL.

 

[peoffrey]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/7426549.stm

Your smug response has actually backfired because you've made your "friend" look even worse than his continued failure in Europe has. I'd pay his taxi fare to his next Club if he ever threatened to quit City and then change his mind. It makes him look weak and completely undermines his own position in the Club. It's such a stupid, stupid thing to do as a Manager.

maybe this is a bit too "italian" for you to understand mate. but i'm sure if you try to do an effort you can understand the difference from to be sacked cause "poor CL results" and to be sacked cause "a press conference were mancini let know to all the world he already knew he was going to be sacked end season"

Why will you just not admit that you're wrong? Mancini sacked himself by declaring his intention to leave before "changing his mind" and his Inter team continually failed in Europe. He's done nothing with City in Europe to make me believe he's learned from his mistakes.

It's woefully ironic that you claim I can't understand Italian ideas but your English is shocking!

 

[Mancio]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/7426549.stm

Your smug response has actually backfired because you've made your "friend" look even worse than his continued failure in Europe has. I'd pay his taxi fare to his next Club if he ever threatened to quit City and then change his mind. It makes him look weak and completely undermines his own position in the Club. It's such a stupid, stupid thing to do as a Manager.

maybe this is a bit too "italian" for you to understand mate. but i'm sure if you try to do an effort you can understand the difference from to be sacked cause "poor CL results" and to be sacked cause "a press conference were mancini let know to all the world he already knew he was going to be sacked end season"

Why will you just not admit that you're wrong? Mancini sacked himself by declaring his intention to leave before "changing his mind" and his Inter team continually failed in Europe. He's done nothing with City in Europe to make me believe he's learned from his mistakes.

It's woefully ironic that you claim I can't understand Italian ideas but your English is shocking!

a) i know my english suck but it seem my english is better than your italian
b) mancini didnt said he was letting , he said he " i believe" (aka "i know" ) next two months will are my last etc. you are free to get it as you like
c) his inter team failed in CL also with mourinho as manager , they just werent good enough. mourinho needed 9 new players , muntari , quaresma , mancini , motta , eto'o , milito , lucio , sneijder and pandev to win (with a good bit of luck) the CL.
d) i'm waiting for a football genius able to explain to me how a manager/coach could be good for home league and cups and at the same time not able for european cups..... this is the greatest idiocy i ever heard.

 

[Anonymous]

b) mancini didnt said he was letting , he said he " i believe" (aka "i know" ) next two months will are my last etc. you are free to get it as you like

The players believed him - as Ibra detailed in his recent biog. He pretty much said Mancini lost the dressing room the moment he "quit".

c) his inter team failed in CL also with mourinho as manager , they just werent good enough. mourinho needed 9 new players , muntari , quaresma , mancini , motta , eto'o , milito , lucio , sneijder and pandev to win (with a good bit of luck) the CL.

What was the total spend on those players? Eto'o as part of the Ibra deal so a profit was made on him. Pandev was free, as was Lucio. I don't recall how much Sneijder, Muntari, Motta and Milito cost, but it wasn't huge sums. I think Quaresma was the big spending waste.

d) i'm waiting for a football genius able to explain to me how a manager/coach could be good for home league and cups and at the same time not able for european cups..... this is the greatest idiocy i ever heard.

Slur Alex's record in Europe is two European Cups compared to 19 league titles. Mourinho has accumulated that many European Cups in about a quarter of the time.

The point is that playing in Europe is totally different to playing in the PL. Some managers can get their teams to get to grips with it, and others can't. Time will tell, but I'm almost certain Mancini will do absolutely fine in Europe in the years to come.

I continue to find it hilarious that you deify Roberto yet treat Mou like he is the anti Christ. Both managers were hugely successful at Inter - but only one of them delivered the European Cup and for that alone, he should be respected by real Inter Milan supporters.

 

[Mancio]

b) mancini didnt said he was letting , he said he " i believe" (aka "i know" ) next two months will are my last etc. you are free to get it as you like

The players believed him - as Ibra detailed in his recent biog. He pretty much said Mancini lost the dressing room the moment he "quit".

c) his inter team failed in CL also with mourinho as manager , they just werent good enough. mourinho needed 9 new players , muntari , quaresma , mancini , motta , eto'o , milito , lucio , sneijder and pandev to win (with a good bit of luck) the CL.

What was the total spend on those players? Eto'o as part of the Ibra deal so a profit was made on him. Pandev was free, as was Lucio. I don't recall how much Sneijder, Muntari, Motta and Milito cost, but it wasn't huge sums. I think Quaresma was the big spending waste.

d) i'm waiting for a football genius able to explain to me how a manager/coach could be good for home league and cups and at the same time not able for european cups..... this is the greatest idiocy i ever heard.

Slur Alex's record in Europe is two European Cups compared to 19 league titles. Mourinho has accumulated that many European Cups in about a quarter of the time.

The point is that playing in Europe is totally different to playing in the PL. Some managers can get their teams to get to grips with it, and others can't. Time will tell, but I'm almost certain Mancini will do absolutely fine in Europe in the years to come.

I continue to find it hilarious that you deify Roberto yet treat Mou like he is the anti Christ. Both managers were hugely successful at Inter - but only one of them delivered the European Cup and for that alone, he should be respected by real Inter Milan supporters.

there was a time where you and your accolites were saying that mancini may had been good for italian football but he didnt had the "grasp" for the english football.

and i was saying that football is always the same everywhere , eleven guys
in underwear running around on a 110*80 yards pitch , everywhere the same.

now that mancini has shown to be good for the english (and the italian , of course) football there is
this new game called european football that it seem maybe different from the above one played in england and in italy..... thats funny indeed.


mourinho for me is a love/hate thing , i love the win he gave us , of course, but at the same time i hate the way he conducted himself regards balotelli , his lack of dignity , and the way he get out from inter leaving behind only debris

 

[Anonymous]

there was a time where you and your accolites were saying that mancini may had been good for italian football but he didnt had the "grasp" for the english football.

and i was saying that football is always the same everywhere , eleven guys
in underwear running around on a 110*80 yards pitch , everywhere the same.

now that mancini has shown to be good for the english (and the italian , of course) football there is
this new game called european football that it seem maybe different from the above one played in england and in italy..... thats funny indeed.


mourinho for me is a love/hate thing , i love the win he gave us , of course, but at the same time i hate the way he conducted himself regards balotelli , his lack of dignity , and the way he get out from inter leaving behind only debris

You seem to be crediting me with something I've never said because frankly, football, is to some extent the same the world over. However the nuances of the game are different in different countries, hence why people talk about players needing time to adapt to the pace of the premier league.

At the root of it though, football is a results business, and the one thing you can't dress up is that Mancini so far doesn't have the greatest of records in European football either for us, or relatively speaking, for Inter. However that's not to say that this won't change because he is a young coach who is in charge of a world class squad of players at City and has every tool required to succeed on every level. But so far his record is of not being to get his team to perform to their capabilities in the crunch European games.

On Mourinho, I don't think Mourinho lacks dignity, I think he lacks humility in the same way that anyone who reaches the absolute top of their chosen profession at a very young age often can. The point is that he has been allowed to behave in that way because he is so successful. His treatment of Balo I have no qualms with. The lad was an immature idiot, and frankly, no matter how much talent he may have possessed, Mourinho showed that he didn't need him to win either the league or the CL. You talk about the "debris" which he left behind at Inter, but frankly all I saw was an ageing team which Mou overachieved with, and ultimately left because he probably knew very well that Moratti's intention from there on out was to sell his best players to make money, and run the club in a completely different way. Mourinho's legacy at Chelsea (look at how many of the players he signed or nurtured are STILL the core of the squad), and at Real Madrid are both a much better reflection of what he builds.

It is of course very easy to be blind to the faults of someone you love dearly, as you clearly do with Mancini, but that doesn't mean faults don't exist, because no man, not even Mourinho, is perfect. I find it easier to be realistic and not be disappointed, than to be completely ignorant to the things which are staring me in the face...