Manuel Akanji | Rumours of an Inter loan deal

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Minutes in *all* club competitions since the start of 22/23 (AI calculated based on transfermarkt):

Akanji 10562
Dias 10321
Ake 7083
Stones 5691

Only PL:

Dias 6828
Akanji 6814
Ake 4064
Stones 3457

Only CL:

Dias 2264
Akanji 2256
Stones 1391
Ake 1275

Basically, Akanji has played as much as Dias in the PL and CL, and more in the other competitions.
 
alexmcity said:
Minutes in *all* club competitions since the start of 22/23 (AI calculated based on transfermarkt):

Akanji 10562
Dias 10321
Ake 7083
Stones 5691

Only PL:

Dias 6828
Akanji 6814
Ake 4064
Stones 3457

Only CL:

Dias 2264
Akanji 2256
Stones 1391
Ake 1275

Basically, Akanji has played as much as Dias in the PL and CL, and more in the other competitions.
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And now we have Gvardiol to take those minutes and Khusanov waiting in the wings ;-)
 
While Akanji has been a decent servant for 3 seasons and was great value at £15m, he is probably our 6th choice centre back and at best 3rd choice right back.

If he wants to play more then I’d expect him to leave. He is a decent defensive full back and did well enough at centre back but we’ve looked more vulnerable whenever he’s played recently.
 
PragueBlue said:
And now we have Gvardiol to take those minutes and Khusanov waiting in the wings ;-)
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Gvardiol was here in 2 from the 3 seasons Akanji played, Akanji didn't play at his expense. Akanji and Dias were carrying Stones and Ake and their form dipped, got some injuries as well.

Akanji has played on average 3500 minutes per season. That's nearly 40 full games. Let's hope Khusanov lives up to the expectations. Big season for him.
 
ManCitizens. said:
We can’t sign any foreign players without selling them, that’s why keeping Stones and Ake (homegrown at Chelsea) is beneficial. Also, they’re both better players.

Most clubs have 4 centre backs for 2 positions, we have 5. Them two counting as 1 negates the injury concerns, at least for me. If they both get injured Gvardiol and Khusanov will play more centrally… win win
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Stones played in eleven league games last year. Aké played in ten.

They are better players.  However, fitness is an enormous concern for both players. Why so many fans don't seem to understand that fitness is an attribute on judging player quality is beyond me. It's not really any different than pace, passing ability, and etc. A player can be one of the very best but if he is only available for fewer than one third of the league games he isn't much use.

Now, I am not advocating selling either. But it does have be to be taken into account. I'd take a good player (above average/able to do a job but not great) who was fit and able to play in 35/38 matches over a very good player who was only available for ten.

Maybe I am wrong but that is my opinion for what little it's worth.
 
alexmcity said:
Gvardiol was here in 2 from the 3 seasons Akanji played, Akanji didn't play at his expense. Akanji and Dias were carrying Stones and Ake and their form dipped, got some injuries as well.

Akanji has played on average 3500 minutes per season. That's nearly 40 full games. Let's hope Khusanov lives up to the expectations. Big season for him.
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We had no left back so Gvardiol has been playing there, now we have a top drawer left back in Ait Nouri who I’d expect to play most games in that position then you’d also expect Gvardiol to become a first choice in the central pairing. We don’t need Akanji in the squad any more.
 
better dead than red said:
Stones played in eleven league games last year. Aké played in ten.

They are better players.  However, fitness is an enormous concern for both players. Why so many fans don't seem to understand that fitness is an attribute on judging player quality is beyond me. It's not really any different than pace, passing ability, and etc. A player can be one of the very best but if he is only available for fewer than one third of the league games he isn't much use.

Now, I am not advocating selling either. But it does have be to be taken into account. I'd take a good player (above average/able to do a job but not great) who was fit and able to play in 35/38 matches over a very good player who was only available for ten.

Maybe I am wrong but that is my opinion for what little it's worth.
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Could quite easily see Ake go, he’s by no means guaranteed to stay, again it’s World Cup year and he needs to be playing, if he perceives himself to be 5th choice, which in my opinion he is, then he may well agitate for a move too. It’s not always about squad spots, it’s also about a player wanting to stay.

End of day, it’s all Johnny Stones’ fault, haha, as he’s too fucking good when he is fully fit but you just can’t count on him staying available. Pep won’t want to let him go, and I fully agree, he’s English and IF we can get even 20 games out of him this season it’ll be worthwhile.
 
better dead than red said:
Stones played in eleven league games last year. Aké played in ten.

They are better players.  However, fitness is an enormous concern for both players. Why so many fans don't seem to understand that fitness is an attribute on judging player quality is beyond me. It's not really any different than pace, passing ability, and etc. A player can be one of the very best but if he is only available for fewer than one third of the league games he isn't much use.
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Because he has 3 CB's ahead of him NOT including the 2 you mentioned,. So 5 in front of him when they are fit those 10 game a season

You cant keep a backup for a backups backup because of injuries when were governed by a max squad size of 25 senior players

Nobody is going ti buy a sick note in Ake or Stones

Keeping Akanji just means less minutes for Khusanov
 
handsofstone said:
Because he has 3 CB's ahead of him
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That can't be said in advance. Pep has played Akanji over Stones or Ake many times, including when the chips were down and we had to win all games to win the title, like in the final two months of 23/24. Stones and Ake were fit and on the bench.

It depends on the form ultimately. Whoever is in form starts. If Gvardiol or Dias lose form, they won't start.
 
alexmcity said:
That's plainly wrong.

Edit: since the start of the 22/23 season, Akanji has played over 9000 minutes in the PL and the CL.

Stones and Ake have played fewer than 11000 minutes combined (!).

Akanji has played more minutes than any other defender, including Dias.
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I take your point but Akanji played so many minutes with an injury last season and can't really be trusted to stay fit anymore. With Reis and Bah able to be recalled if things get desperate, Stones and Ake are the ones I'd keep because of the HG situation.
 
youngbob said:
I take your point but Akanji played so many minutes with an injury last season and can't really be trusted to stay fit anymore. With Reis and Bah able to be recalled if things get desperate, Stones and Ake are the ones I'd keep because of the HG situation.
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Fair enough. Let's see what happens.
 
Rammy Blue said:
Ha, my thoughts exactly. Been using their social mouthpieces plenty, without ponying up the dollars.
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Pep keeps saying city have to sell and gala is only team being linked to any of our players- what motivation do they have to raise their bid?
 
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