Manuel Pellegrini

[chris85mcfc]

But it can only be a educated guess, we'll never know, we may still have won we may have scored more, but we may also have drawn or lost, Milner may have given the ball away, Aguero or Jovetic may have got injured what abuse would Pellegrini have got on here then for his substitutions. The only thing we can be sure of is he made what he thought were the right changes and won and it may be a result that we can kick on from. If he had done something different and not won the pressure and knock to confidence would have been a disaster..
Last week Mourinho made changes and the ended up drawing, so we can say we made better changes than Chelsea did last week,

Goos points well made.

There is also the point that MP must be under considerable pressure from our owner regards the CL, so this game on Wednesday is of greater importance to the club, even if we fans would make the derby win a greater priority, the club have a whole bigger picture to look at, and given the last three games, the pressure must have been quite intense yesterday, and MP went with Nasri to seal the game, not sit on it, perhaps (unlike Mourinho last week) he was rewarded with a result for being brave.

I still think Kun is far more important to us against CSKA than Jimmy, and he stayed on till the 85th minute so im not quite buying that Milner was brought off to save his legs

Fair point about him being under pressure regards the CL, and if he comes out of CSKA and QPR with 6 points im guessing he will he smoking a big fat cigar on the way back from Loftus Road

 

[nellyonthewing]

Who's moaning?

Its discussion based on some decidedly dodgy substitutions which could have cost us the points,where is the problem?

I think some posters think that a criticism or a moan is the same as calling the guy a c**t and wanting him sacked. There are many of us who can still like Pellegrini overall but are comfortable enough with that to have a right good moan about him when we see fit. There are things i've seen from him so far this season and in both his CL campaigns to date that i've not been impressed with whatsoever and i think it will be another manager after Pellegrini has left us who will be the one who really takes us up to that CL Semi-final/Final level...yet i still want him here while he's under contract with us as i think he did a good job last season and will do a good job again within his contracted time with us.

I think there's a huge hangover with regards to manager threads with the threads we had for both Hughes and Mancini. There was so much talk of getting the blokes sacked so often, so much pettiness and touchy posts that it is still spilling over into this thread and people are thinking that anyone with a complaint of any kind wants Pellegrini sacked and they feel they have to respond in complete support for the man like a Bosnian on an Edin thread.

There's every chance that Pellegrini has watched the tapes back today and thought "ya sabes, creo que tengo esas sustituciones mal ayer. no voy a hacer ese tipo de cosas de nuevo en un gran partido en apenas 1-0". Just because he's done a great job with this club to date, doesn't mean that he even thinks everything he does week-to-week is right and people shouldn't just jump down anyone's throat when they have a complaint to make about him as if the guy is completely faultless and should never be questioned.

I think there's a lot of merit in what you say there - but I also think you're being a bit disingenuous. People object more than anything to the hyperbole attached to some of the post match comments rather than the subjective disagreement about the substitutions. Your first post after the match is a pretty good example as it happens.

I was already losing patience with him but now I'm losing faith in him.

The substitutions were atrocious. They totally swung the game in United's - 10 Man United at that - favour. To bring off Milner who was exemplary was extremely poor. We lost his work rate and dangerous play for Nasri who isn't fit and doesn't have anywhere near the workrate or defensive nouse of Milner. And to bring on the hapless Džeko for Jovetić caused a huge vacuum in midfield for United - who, again, had a man less - to exploit because Džeko is not the man you need in that situation at all. (Although not everything came off for Jovetić, he worked hard and was dropping into midfield).

He realised his fuck ups and rectified it by bringing on Fernandinho but he did that and pissed off the clubs star player (Kun) who should never have had to leave he pitch in this game.

Pellegrini nearly fucked that up for us. I'm not impressed with him at all this season. He needs to fucking sort this out!

I hope Txiki Begiristain has him in the office tomorrow morning for a bollocking!

That type of rant after we win the derby is frankly more than a little embarrassing. I'm not even arguing about the substitutions, but you're first sentence, and then the mindless comment about Kun being pissed off at the manager are why you might find people reacting badly.

Is it just me or does anyone find it a bit weird and inquisitorial when people start re-hashing peoples prior comments . Are we not allowed to have a spontaneous rant ? By the way to save you the effort I said Hughes was a twat once.

 

[cleavers]

I still think Kun is far more important to us against CSKA than Jimmy, and he stayed on till the 85th minute so im not quite buying that Milner was brought off to save his legs

I don't think they are linked, and of course Sergio's more important, so don't you think he would have taken Aguero off after 60 minutes had we been 3-0 up (as we should have been) ? Milner meanwhile had a direct replacement, arguably 2, Sergio didn't.

 

[chris85mcfc]

I still think Kun is far more important to us against CSKA than Jimmy, and he stayed on till the 85th minute so im not quite buying that Milner was brought off to save his legs

I don't think they are linked, and of course Sergio's more important, so don't you think he would have taken Aguero off after 60 minutes had we been 3-0 up (as we should have been) ? Milner meanwhile had a direct replacement, arguably 2, Sergio didn't.

Possibly, you would have thought so.

This comment isn't linked to our convo, and slightly off topic, but at the moment Jimmy is becoming the 7th most important player on the teamsheet

Hart, Zabba, Vinny, Yaya, Silva and Aguero. Milner has been that good recently that he is playing himself into that bracket, he needs to keep his performances and work rate up, which you would imagine he will do now he has been given a sniff of regular first team football

 

[BillyShears]

Is it just me or does anyone find it a bit weird and inquisitorial when people start re-hashing peoples prior comments .

I don't think KC will have a problem with me reposting something he posted only a day ago. Especially when it's relevant to the discussion he has tried to begin regarding whether people are being overly protective of Pellegrini.

As I say, and said last night, I see merit in both sides of the argument, but substitutions are such an imperfect science that it makes little sense in getting quite so emotional, especially after we won. Last week Mourinho tried to kill their game against the rags yet his substitutions led to the opposite and they dropped points.

The only rants last night should've been in the agenda thread about the ref. ;)

 

[nellyonthewing]

In hindsight the subs call was probably good logic . He could have reasonably expected more from Dzeko and Nasri against 10 men. They both let him down in that one offered nothing offensively and the other went absent defensively.

 

[Paul_Powers_Tash]

I think some posters think that a criticism or a moan is the same as calling the guy a c**t and wanting him sacked. There are many of us who can still like Pellegrini overall but are comfortable enough with that to have a right good moan about him when we see fit. There are things i've seen from him so far this season and in both his CL campaigns to date that i've not been impressed with whatsoever and i think it will be another manager after Pellegrini has left us who will be the one who really takes us up to that CL Semi-final/Final level...yet i still want him here while he's under contract with us as i think he did a good job last season and will do a good job again within his contracted time with us.

I think there's a huge hangover with regards to manager threads with the threads we had for both Hughes and Mancini. There was so much talk of getting the blokes sacked so often, so much pettiness and touchy posts that it is still spilling over into this thread and people are thinking that anyone with a complaint of any kind wants Pellegrini sacked and they feel they have to respond in complete support for the man like a Bosnian on an Edin thread.

There's every chance that Pellegrini has watched the tapes back today and thought "ya sabes, creo que tengo esas sustituciones mal ayer. no voy a hacer ese tipo de cosas de nuevo en un gran partido en apenas 1-0". Just because he's done a great job with this club to date, doesn't mean that he even thinks everything he does week-to-week is right and people shouldn't just jump down anyone's throat when they have a complaint to make about him as if the guy is completely faultless and should never be questioned.

I think there's a lot of merit in what you say there - but I also think you're being a bit disingenuous. People object more than anything to the hyperbole attached to some of the post match comments rather than the subjective disagreement about the substitutions. Your first post after the match is a pretty good example as it happens.

I was already losing patience with him but now I'm losing faith in him.

The substitutions were atrocious. They totally swung the game in United's - 10 Man United at that - favour. To bring off Milner who was exemplary was extremely poor. We lost his work rate and dangerous play for Nasri who isn't fit and doesn't have anywhere near the workrate or defensive nouse of Milner. And to bring on the hapless Džeko for Jovetić caused a huge vacuum in midfield for United - who, again, had a man less - to exploit because Džeko is not the man you need in that situation at all. (Although not everything came off for Jovetić, he worked hard and was dropping into midfield).

He realised his fuck ups and rectified it by bringing on Fernandinho but he did that and pissed off the clubs star player (Kun) who should never have had to leave he pitch in this game.

Pellegrini nearly fucked that up for us. I'm not impressed with him at all this season. He needs to fucking sort this out!

I hope Txiki Begiristain has him in the office tomorrow morning for a bollocking!

That type of rant after we win the derby is frankly more than a little embarrassing. I'm not even arguing about the substitutions, but you're first sentence, and then the mindless comment about Kun being pissed off at the manager are why you might find people reacting badly.

Is it just me or does anyone find it a bit weird and inquisitorial when people start re-hashing peoples prior comments . Are we not allowed to have a spontaneous rant ? By the way to save you the effort I said Hughes was a twat once.

I thought KippaxCitizens last article there was spot on and reflected the views of myself and many of the people in the pub after the game. Its far too simplistic to say shut up we won didn't we? Any sane and knowledgable analysis of yesterdays substitutions would show that before the substitutions we were in total control, and after them we were in total dissarray. For 70 minutes the plan of nullifying their wingers and wing backs, their biggest threats, was working perfectly so why change it? Di Maria had spent the second half going toe to toe with Cliche who was superb by the way and Milner was nullifying the threat from the overlapping Valencia. Everyone who has watched Nasri in a Blue shirt knows that he will not offer the same level of protection that Milner does.

The term is game management and Pellegrini gets 1 out of 10 for the way he managed the last 20 minutes. I hope Kun didn't break anything as he kicked anything in sight as he stormed down the tunnel.

 

[blue ranger]

It tickles me that despite this being an open forum the bluemoon bully boys won't allow any sensible questioning of MP.

He nearly messed up yesterday and I don't believe for 1 minute he was resting players for weds.

Having said that we got the deserved win - let's hope his tactics are spot on v CSKA and QPR at weekend where I'm expecting another tough game.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

All of this bitching about the subs irritates me because most of it misses the key point: when we made them United looked to have totally gone: they couldn't get out of their own half. I could see immediately what the manager was trying to do: get the killer goal that our dominance deserved. I don't like Nasri particularly as a player but I could see that a bit more composure and tight passing around the box looked to be just what we needed rather than Milner's graft.

It didn't work out like that because sometimes subs don't work as planned. United got a head of steam up because we kept giving it back to them. Then the manager attempted to shore us up with fernenadino.

His howler yesterday was picking kolorov, and the way the game panned out proved that in my opinion. But none of the critics appear to have noticed that because they are playing simple fan logic: United got on top therefore the manager made an error.

 

[Deleted member 58678]

Who's moaning?

Its discussion based on some decidedly dodgy substitutions which could have cost us the points,where is the problem?

I think some posters think that a criticism or a moan is the same as calling the guy a c**t and wanting him sacked. There are many of us who can still like Pellegrini overall but are comfortable enough with that to have a right good moan about him when we see fit. There are things i've seen from him so far this season and in both his CL campaigns to date that i've not been impressed with whatsoever and i think it will be another manager after Pellegrini has left us who will be the one who really takes us up to that CL Semi-final/Final level...yet i still want him here while he's under contract with us as i think he did a good job last season and will do a good job again within his contracted time with us.

I think there's a huge hangover with regards to manager threads with the threads we had for both Hughes and Mancini. There was so much talk of getting the blokes sacked so often, so much pettiness and touchy posts that it is still spilling over into this thread and people are thinking that anyone with a complaint of any kind wants Pellegrini sacked and they feel they have to respond in complete support for the man like a Bosnian on an Edin thread.

There's every chance that Pellegrini has watched the tapes back today and thought "ya sabes, creo que tengo esas sustituciones mal ayer. no voy a hacer ese tipo de cosas de nuevo en un gran partido en apenas 1-0". Just because he's done a great job with this club to date, doesn't mean that he even thinks everything he does week-to-week is right and people shouldn't just jump down anyone's throat when they have a complaint to make about him as if the guy is completely faultless and should never be questioned.

I think there's a lot of merit in what you say there - but I also think you're being a bit disingenuous. People object more than anything to the hyperbole attached to some of the post match comments rather than the subjective disagreement about the substitutions. Your first post after the match is a pretty good example as it happens.

I was already losing patience with him but now I'm losing faith in him.

The substitutions were atrocious. They totally swung the game in United's - 10 Man United at that - favour. To bring off Milner who was exemplary was extremely poor. We lost his work rate and dangerous play for Nasri who isn't fit and doesn't have anywhere near the workrate or defensive nouse of Milner. And to bring on the hapless Džeko for Jovetić caused a huge vacuum in midfield for United - who, again, had a man less - to exploit because Džeko is not the man you need in that situation at all. (Although not everything came off for Jovetić, he worked hard and was dropping into midfield).

He realised his fuck ups and rectified it by bringing on Fernandinho but he did that and pissed off the clubs star player (Kun) who should never have had to leave he pitch in this game.

Pellegrini nearly fucked that up for us. I'm not impressed with him at all this season. He needs to fucking sort this out!

I hope Txiki Begiristain has him in the office tomorrow morning for a bollocking!

That type of rant after we win the derby is frankly more than a little embarrassing. I'm not even arguing about the substitutions, but you're first sentence, and then the mindless comment about Kun being pissed off at the manager are why you might find people reacting badly.

But I have been losing patience with his tactical inflexibilty, I have been losing faith in him being the one to take us to the next level (I don't think he will) and he did piss off our star player yesterday.

But I don't want him sacked and I think he'll still do a good job within his contract period with us.