Manuel Pellegrini

[Paul_Powers_Tash]

Unless you are sat on the bench and privvy to what is being discussed during the game, we have no idea why he made the decisions he did, none.

He Gets paid to make them and so far in his career, he has done a fantastic job.

We won the game 1-0 and it should and probably would have been 4-0 had the ref not been fucking blind/shit scared/ corrupt.

How the fuck anyone can have a moan is beyond me it really is.

Sorry mate but if you didn't notice a change in the last 20 minutes of the game then ill let you crack on

Just out of interest what do you think was the reason for the backs to the wall last 20?

Rags playing hoofball played a huge part in it. ive already said to think a side containing Rooney, Di Maria and van Persie was never going to create any pressure or chances is ridiculously naive, regardless of our tactics.

Naive is absolutely the right word my friend. You did say you didn't think the substitutions made a difference didn't you?

 

[FantasyIreland]

''we'll never know what would have happened if he hadn't made the changes we only know he made them and we won''

An educated guess,based on 70mins of control and dominance,up until those substitutions...... suggests to me,we would have enjoyed a further 20 of similar.

 

[chris85mcfc]

But we should still be able to have an opinion on the game regardless of the result, my opinion is that every player was fantastic and Fernando had arguably his best game yet, so Pelle deserves credit for that, but i just think he got the substitutions wrong and it put us in an awkward position

You're being a bit blinkered if you think that people are telling you you can't have an opinion, discuss, analyse the game. That's what the forum's here for. However I think it should be tempered with the fact we won and for 70 minutes put in arguably our most complete performance of the season. There's two sides to the substitutions and there's enough people arguing the case for both sides to suggest there's some merit in both sides of the argument.

We won though so that makes the argument itself moot. Maybe people are being a little more forthright in their sticking up for the manager precisely for that reason.

Anyway. Time to move on. I'm sure there'll be plenty of new reasons to lambast Pellegrini after Wednesday night. ;)[/quote]

Lets hope not :)

 

[chris85mcfc]

''we'll never know what would have happened if he hadn't made the changes we only know he made them and we won''

An educated guess,based on 70mins of control and dominance,up until those substitutions...... suggests to me,we would have enjoyed a further 20 of similar.

At 1-0 with the crowd behind the team and us getting in their faces I think we would have gone on to make it 2 or 3

They were shot at 1-0, look at Shaws face when we scored, head in the hands stuff

We should have had their heads on a spike for the last 20 but for me the subs stifled that some what

 

[Deleted member 58678]

Who's moaning?

Its discussion based on some decidedly dodgy substitutions which could have cost us the points,where is the problem?

I think some posters think that a criticism or a moan is the same as calling the guy a c**t and wanting him sacked. There are many of us who can still like Pellegrini overall but are comfortable enough with that to have a right good moan about him when we see fit. There are things i've seen from him so far this season and in both his CL campaigns to date that i've not been impressed with whatsoever and i think it will be another manager after Pellegrini has left us who will be the one who really takes us up to that CL Semi-final/Final level...yet i still want him here while he's under contract with us as i think he did a good job last season and will do a good job again within his contracted time with us.

I think there's a huge hangover with regards to manager threads with the threads we had for both Hughes and Mancini. There was so much talk of getting the blokes sacked so often, so much pettiness and touchy posts that it is still spilling over into this thread and people are thinking that anyone with a complaint of any kind wants Pellegrini sacked and they feel they have to respond in complete support for the man like a Bosnian on an Edin thread.

There's every chance that Pellegrini has watched the tapes back today and thought "ya sabes, creo que tengo esas sustituciones mal ayer. no voy a hacer ese tipo de cosas de nuevo en un gran partido en apenas 1-0". Just because he's done a great job with this club to date, doesn't mean that he even thinks everything he does week-to-week is right and people shouldn't just jump down anyone's throat when they have a complaint to make about him as if the guy is completely faultless and should never be questioned.

 

[cleavers]

Having said that we seemed to hand them the initiative in the last 20 minutes, it could have been a mixture of the substitutions (sick of typing that word today!!) and perhaps a bit of panic due to our recent results

But we should still be able to have an opinion on the game regardless of the result, my opinion is that every player was fantastic and Fernando had arguably his best game yet, so Pelle deserves credit for that, but i just think he got the substitutions wrong and it put us in an awkward position

That was what I saw, normally composed players doing daft things, like Vinny and Zab.

Also who is stopping anyone having an opinion ? Just because not everyone agrees doesn't mean its censorship, its actually called debate, and whether or not you think MP is god, or a plank, fact is we did win, and they didn't score despite the attacking talent they used.

 

[blueparrot]

''we'll never know what would have happened if he hadn't made the changes we only know he made them and we won''

An educated guess,based on 70mins of control and dominance,up until those substitutions...... suggests to me,we would have enjoyed a further 20 of similar.

At 1-0 with the crowd behind the team and us getting in their faces I think we would have gone on to make it 2 or 3

They were shot at 1-0, look at Shaws face when we scored, head in the hands stuff

We should have had their heads on a spike for the last 20 but for me the subs stifled that some what

But it can only be a educated guess, we'll never know, we may still have won we may have scored more, but we may also have drawn or lost, Milner may have given the ball away, Aguero or Jovetic may have got injured what abuse would Pellegrini have got on here then for his substitutions. The only thing we can be sure of is he made what he thought were the right changes and won and it may be a result that we can kick on from. If he had done something different and not won the pressure and knock to confidence would have been a disaster..
Last week Mourinho made changes and the ended up drawing, so we can say we made better changes than Chelsea did last week,

 

[BillyShears]

Who's moaning?

Its discussion based on some decidedly dodgy substitutions which could have cost us the points,where is the problem?

I think some posters think that a criticism or a moan is the same as calling the guy a c**t and wanting him sacked. There are many of us who can still like Pellegrini overall but are comfortable enough with that to have a right good moan about him when we see fit. There are things i've seen from him so far this season and in both his CL campaigns to date that i've not been impressed with whatsoever and i think it will be another manager after Pellegrini has left us who will be the one who really takes us up to that CL Semi-final/Final level...yet i still want him here while he's under contract with us as i think he did a good job last season and will do a good job again within his contracted time with us.

I think there's a huge hangover with regards to manager threads with the threads we had for both Hughes and Mancini. There was so much talk of getting the blokes sacked so often, so much pettiness and touchy posts that it is still spilling over into this thread and people are thinking that anyone with a complaint of any kind wants Pellegrini sacked and they feel they have to respond in complete support for the man like a Bosnian on an Edin thread.

There's every chance that Pellegrini has watched the tapes back today and thought "ya sabes, creo que tengo esas sustituciones mal ayer. no voy a hacer ese tipo de cosas de nuevo en un gran partido en apenas 1-0". Just because he's done a great job with this club to date, doesn't mean that he even thinks everything he does week-to-week is right and people shouldn't just jump down anyone's throat when they have a complaint to make about him as if the guy is completely faultless and should never be questioned.

I think there's a lot of merit in what you say there - but I also think you're being a bit disingenuous. People object more than anything to the hyperbole attached to some of the post match comments rather than the subjective disagreement about the substitutions. Your first post after the match is a pretty good example as it happens.

I was already losing patience with him but now I'm losing faith in him.

The substitutions were atrocious. They totally swung the game in United's - 10 Man United at that - favour. To bring off Milner who was exemplary was extremely poor. We lost his work rate and dangerous play for Nasri who isn't fit and doesn't have anywhere near the workrate or defensive nouse of Milner. And to bring on the hapless Džeko for Jovetić caused a huge vacuum in midfield for United - who, again, had a man less - to exploit because Džeko is not the man you need in that situation at all. (Although not everything came off for Jovetić, he worked hard and was dropping into midfield).

He realised his fuck ups and rectified it by bringing on Fernandinho but he did that and pissed off the clubs star player (Kun) who should never have had to leave he pitch in this game.

Pellegrini nearly fucked that up for us. I'm not impressed with him at all this season. He needs to fucking sort this out!

I hope Txiki Begiristain has him in the office tomorrow morning for a bollocking!

That type of rant after we win the derby is frankly more than a little embarrassing. I'm not even arguing about the substitutions, but you're first sentence, and then the mindless comment about Kun being pissed off at the manager are why you might find people reacting badly.

 

[chris85mcfc]

Having said that we seemed to hand them the initiative in the last 20 minutes, it could have been a mixture of the substitutions (sick of typing that word today!!) and perhaps a bit of panic due to our recent results

But we should still be able to have an opinion on the game regardless of the result, my opinion is that every player was fantastic and Fernando had arguably his best game yet, so Pelle deserves credit for that, but i just think he got the substitutions wrong and it put us in an awkward position

That was what I saw, normally composed players doing daft things, like Vinny and Zab.

Also who is stopping anyone having an opinion ? Just because not everyone agrees doesn't mean its censorship, its actually called debate, and whether or not you think MP is god, or a plank, fact is we did win, and they didn't score despite the attacking talent they used.

I meant an opinion without people presuming its some kind of witch hunt

Clearly there are a lot of people that have a problem with Pellegrini for whatever reason, im not one of them. Like i said before im not bothered who our manager is as long as the team go out and give everything and we get positive results

I just think sometimes opinions like mine might be shoved in the 'anti-Pellegrini' camp when really its just an opinion on his tactics in that specific game

Its important for us to take the momentum from yesterday into Wednesdays game and into the game at QPR, i think it will tell us a lot about the team if we can get 6 points out of these next 2 games

 

[cleavers]

But it can only be a educated guess, we'll never know, we may still have won we may have scored more, but we may also have drawn or lost, Milner may have given the ball away, Aguero or Jovetic may have got injured what abuse would Pellegrini have got on here then for his substitutions. The only thing we can be sure of is he made what he thought were the right changes and won and it may be a result that we can kick on from. If he had done something different and not won the pressure and knock to confidence would have been a disaster..
Last week Mourinho made changes and the ended up drawing, so we can say we made better changes than Chelsea did last week,

Good points well made.

There is also the point that MP must be under considerable pressure from our owner regards the CL, so this game on Wednesday is of greater importance to the club, even if we fans would make the derby win a greater priority, the club have a whole bigger picture to look at, and given the last three games, the pressure must have been quite intense yesterday, and MP went with Nasri to seal the game, not sit on it, perhaps (unlike Mourinho last week) he was rewarded with a result for being brave.