Mister Appointment said:Just out of curiosity - does anyone remember any time in our recent history where a substitution was as contentious as the ones on derby day?
I really can't. Especially not after we'd won a match. Amazes me in a way people are still quite so bothered by it so many days later.
Mister Appointment said:Just out of curiosity - does anyone remember any time in our recent history where a substitution was as contentious as the ones on derby day?
I really can't. Especially not after we'd won a match. Amazes me in a way people are still quite so bothered by it so many days later.
Mister Appointment said:tolmie's hairdoo said:Nasri should have come into the Jovetic pocket, rather than Milner leaving the field.
They were shocking subs in every sense of the word.
Van Persie, Di Maria, a succession of late corners, all a result of taking Milner off and exposing the left hand flank.
If anything, Milner is at his most dangerous in the closing minutes. Lost count the amount of times he has provided a late cross for a goal or got one himself.
Dzeko, although you can be wise after the event and suggest his role was to defend corners, provided zero..
If Dzeko's introduction was to defend set pieces, then you have to ask why Pellegrini felt so panic-stricken to address an issue which did not even exist at that present time, a ten-man United team still penned in on the edge of their 18-yard box.
Obvious wum'ing there my friend. :)
Mister Appointment said:tolmie's hairdoo said:Nasri should have come into the Jovetic pocket, rather than Milner leaving the field.
They were shocking subs in every sense of the word.
Van Persie, Di Maria, a succession of late corners, all a result of taking Milner off and exposing the left hand flank.
If anything, Milner is at his most dangerous in the closing minutes. Lost count the amount of times he has provided a late cross for a goal or got one himself.
Dzeko, although you can be wise after the event and suggest his role was to defend corners, provided zero..
If Dzeko's introduction was to defend set pieces, then you have to ask why Pellegrini felt so panic-stricken to address an issue which did not even exist at that present time, a ten-man United team still penned in on the edge of their 18-yard box.
Obvious wum'ing there my friend. :)
chris85mcfc said:But that's almost like suggesting that we can only question something when we don't have a favourable result
It is retrospectively, but IF Di Maria had finished his chance or Fellaini had stuck that header in at the end, im not so sure people would be so quick to defend the substitutions he made, which on paper look like they changed the game
tolmie's hairdoo said:Don't you fecking start ;)
moomba said:Mister Appointment said:Just out of curiosity - does anyone remember any time in our recent history where a substitution was as contentious as the ones on derby day?
I really can't. Especially not after we'd won a match. Amazes me in a way people are still quite so bothered by it so many days later.
De Jong on for a forward used to always get a lot of comment, until people realised it was usually an attacking move. Remember Lescott playing upfront, but can't remember if it was a sub or not.
The thing that stood out for me with this one is the obvious and instantaneous difference in the game immediately before and after the subs. MP has had his good days and bad days with subs but I can't think of a time where the game was turned on it's head like Sunday.
Also maybe because a draw would have left us 8 points behind in the league, hanging on the chimps league and out of the league cup. The consequences of not winning that game were pretty severe.
JoeMercer'sWay said:He's spot on.
tolmie's hairdoo said:Mister Appointment said:tolmie's hairdoo said:Nasri should have come into the Jovetic pocket, rather than Milner leaving the field.
They were shocking subs in every sense of the word.
Van Persie, Di Maria, a succession of late corners, all a result of taking Milner off and exposing the left hand flank.
If anything, Milner is at his most dangerous in the closing minutes. Lost count the amount of times he has provided a late cross for a goal or got one himself.
Dzeko, although you can be wise after the event and suggest his role was to defend corners, provided zero..
If Dzeko's introduction was to defend set pieces, then you have to ask why Pellegrini felt so panic-stricken to address an issue which did not even exist at that present time, a ten-man United team still penned in on the edge of their 18-yard box.
Obvious wum'ing there my friend. :)
Don't you fecking start ;)
I've buried the lead...Pellegrini attempted to combat a threat which barely existed at that present time, based on some of the arguments being made that the removal of Milner was indeed a correct one?
Which argues the question, what was it that changed on the field of play which enabled a ten-man outfit, who were in full-on damage-limitation mode, suddenly forget themselves and believe they could get something from the game?
And don't give me that United never-say-die bullshit narrative;)
tolmie's hairdoo said:He can achieve even more great things at this club, no doubt, but even my amateur observations, albeit, cultivated as a member of Joe Public simply watching the game for 30 years, can't assume the manager is always in complete control of the situation.