Marc-Andre ter Stegen

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twoddlehopper said:
I get that mate, doesn't mean I should change my optimistic view because the outers say he can't, won't or is incaple. Everyone I ever heard who has trained with Joe, from other keepers to coaches all have said the same, he works hard on improving, and he's got a very open mind to it.
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Well if has been working hard on distribution it looks bad for him
 
twoddlehopper said:
Yeah I've seen Joe take throw ins and everything.
Have you seen our games. Utter rubbish. Clearly don't understand..all your words pal, not mine. I was joining in on a dicussion with an opposite opinion.
You don't seem to grasp the concept of a difference of opinion.
Nev Knev gets it, your the one trying to force what you believe to be right upon me, are you in fact omnipotent in all matters of football? Are you so upset because it should be you on sky with Jamie in a snazzy grey suit?
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That's hilarious since you're the one replying to me. If you reply to me then you're the one trying to force your opinion to me. That's how logic works. I don't care for your opinion until you reply and address me.
 
mavsmcfc said:
That's hilarious since you're the one replying to me. If you reply to me then you're the one trying to force your opinion to me. That's how logic works. I don't care for your opinion until you reply and address me.
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Calm down dear, there's a difference between offering an alternative to an opinion and saying you're wrong I'm right. Thanks for the logic lesson though.
 
I think Lino and Mavs have owned this discussion. But that's probably coz I agree with them on principle.

If Pep's system requiresplaying out of the back, and if Joe shows an inability to adapt to this, Shirley bringing in Ter Steegen isn't so ridiculous.

That Joe has been great in the past isn't a legitimate argument.

That you can't believe some want to dump Joe after all he has done, is not a legitimate counterpoint.

That Joe will succeed at playing from the back, isn't opposed to the original position posited.

That poster of the original claim doesn't have proof Joe wouldn't succeed is a red herring. As the claim States 'if he can't.

Anyway, hope Joe improves and keeps his place. But that's coz I like Joe. And I'm not ashamed to say I'm routing for him.
 
twoddlehopper said:
Calm down dear, there's a difference between offering an alternative to an opinion and saying you're wrong I'm right. Thanks for the logic lesson though.
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OK so when I do it, it's 'forcing an opinion', but when you do it it's 'offering an alternative to an opinion'. Got it.
 
Anybody else get agitated by the star? Anytime I see anything by them I think it's total shit. Spamming out stuff about get Ter Stegen at all cost ATM.
 
Joe certainly has the desire to get things moving from the back. He always looks to roll or throw it out if possible. I suspect the rest is a confidence thing. It's widely considered that he is skillful enough with the ball in training etc. but only actually putting it into practice in games will help build that confidence.
And tbh, it's hardly surprising. He's been trained at good old fashioned English clubs by good old fashioned coaches. A bit like Sam Allardyce's comments saying he'd teach Stones how to defend first and foremost. An old fashioned English mentality to certain aspects of the game means they will forever remain in the past.
None of our recent managers have been averse to playing out from the back, but none have shown the vision that Pep does in including the 'keeper as an extra ball playing man or even dropping an even better ball playing midfielder back to help the CBs out.
And if we think of the 'keeper-sweeper tag, it's mainly used for E.g Neuer, Lloris who generally come out to clear danger rather than start the play. (not saying that they don't do that too, but both are renowned for taking the ball off strikers' toes)
 
9 times out of 10 Hart kicks the ball from a back pass launches it with his first touch. Full on boot as far as he can. He is just clearing his lines. He's not looking for a player under any circumstance. That's obviously been coached into him and it's what he is comfortable with and no one has tried to change it.

Until now it seems. And coaching a new way in a matter of months over what he has been coached over 15+ years isn't going to be easy.

One thing with hart that doesn't get mentioned is his punching/flapping. He doesn't come and catch enough balls for me. Doesn't command his area as he should. And it has cost us goals in the past.

As a shit stopper he's second to none with notable exceptions to long range efforts to his left occasionally. World class with one on ones as well.

It wouldn't be a priority getting a new keeper who is more suited to Peps style but it wouldn't be a backward step either.
 
johnmc said:
9 times out of 10 Hart kicks the ball from a back pass launches it with his first touch. Full on boot as far as he can. He is just clearing his lines. He's not looking for a player under any circumstance. That's obviously been coached into him and it's what he is comfortable with and no one has tried to change it.

Until now it seems. And coaching a new way in a matter of months over what he has been coached over 15+ years isn't going to be easy.

One thing with hart that doesn't get mentioned is his punching/flapping. He doesn't come and catch enough balls for me. Doesn't command his area as he should. And it has cost us goals in the past.

As a shit stopper he's second to none with notable exceptions to long range efforts to his left occasionally. World class with one on ones as well.

It wouldn't be a priority getting a new keeper who is more suited to Peps style but it wouldn't be a backward step either.
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How do you know this? On 2nd thought, perhaps I don't want to know. (:
 
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