March for the Alternative-26th March

[malg]

Christ, I feel like I've walked blindfolded into a NHS forum!

 

[ElanJo]

you're clueless totally clueless

it may produce but it does not distribute


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The thing is, in your world pretty much everyone is on the right.

I think I'll stick to facts and actual economics. Whilst I'd rather you didn't, as you come off as a twat, you can stick to emotionally manipulative images

 

[Skashion]

Here you go <a class="postlink" href="http://data.worldbank.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://data.worldbank.org/</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://siteresources.worldbank.org/EXTANNREP2010/Resources/7074178-1285788609189/finance0401_income_povests.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://siteresources.worldbank.org/EXTA ... ovests.pdf</a>

Going to have to dig out my dissertation texts on China but those figures are definitely wrong from what I can remember. The figures for the 80s seem to be right and I can't comment on the late noughties but that drop for the 90s seems far far too big. Definitely not in the same territory as the eighties drop where rural income (where the vast majority of the poverty was and continues to be) shot up by over 13% per year in the eighties versus about 5% throughout the nineties. It also went against official Chinese figures according to my dissertation, where figures put 800 million rural Chinese on an average income of $290 a year in 1998.

-- Mon Mar 28, 2011 2:42 pm --

Whether you like capitalism or not it is undeniable that living standards in real terms have increased for everyone in society post WW2 irrespective of social status.

When my dad was growing up in Hulme in the 30's and 40's only two people in the whole area had a car. The owners of the local cinema and chippy.

That is why the whole rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer is a slight misnomer. It should in fact be the rich getting more rich than the poor.

Although there will always be inequalities in any society I think the ones that are currently the case are unacceptable and undesirable for everyone. That said I am at a loss as to how to address it. 13 years of New Labour didn't that's for sure.

My point wasn't about capitalism only improving life for the rich or anything like that. I'm not that kind of lefty. I'm disputing those figures, they seem to be insanely optimistic for the 90s. There's no doubt in my mind that introducing the free market to China has been a good thing for the Chinese. Indeed, it needs to be more so. There's still far too much protection for urban workers from rural workers. That's a government problem which has caused the gap between urban and rural areas.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Here you go <a class="postlink" href="http://data.worldbank.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://data.worldbank.org/</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://siteresources.worldbank.org/EXTANNREP2010/Resources/7074178-1285788609189/finance0401_income_povests.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://siteresources.worldbank.org/EXTA ... ovests.pdf</a>

Going to have to dig out my dissertation texts on China but those figures are definitely wrong from what I can remember. The figures for the 80s seem to be right and I can't comment on the late noughties but that drop for the 90s seems far far too big. Definitely not in the same territory as the eighties drop where rural income (where the vast majority of the poverty was and continues to be) shot up by over 13% per year in the eighties versus about 5% throughout the nineties. It also went against official Chinese figures according to my dissertation, where figures put 800 million rural Chinese on an average income of $290 a year in 1998.

-- Mon Mar 28, 2011 2:42 pm --

Whether you like capitalism or not it is undeniable that living standards in real terms have increased for everyone in society post WW2 irrespective of social status.

When my dad was growing up in Hulme in the 30's and 40's only two people in the whole area had a car. The owners of the local cinema and chippy.

That is why the whole rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer is a slight misnomer. It should in fact be the rich getting more rich than the poor.

Although there will always be inequalities in any society I think the ones that are currently the case are unacceptable and undesirable for everyone. That said I am at a loss as to how to address it. 13 years of New Labour didn't that's for sure.

My point wasn't about capitalism only improving life for the rich or anything like that. I'm not that kind of lefty. I'm disputing those figures, they seem to be insanely optimistic for the 90s. There's no doubt in my mind that introducing the free market to China has been a good thing for the Chinese. Indeed, it needs to be more so. There's still far too much protection for urban workers from rural workers. That's a government problem which has caused the gap between urban and rural areas.

I know. It was a general point.

I also know what kind of lefty you are. You are a 'forking' lefty.