Mario Car Crash

[didactic]

Is it that same bloke? Fucking lol. Weirdest City fan I've come across.

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Mario's worse than Swales, worse than Ball, worse than Bradbury, Daley etc. Just the worst thing ever to have the highest goals to minutes striker in the league.

Why do fans keep quoting this minutes per goal comparison. Of course Balo has a better record than RVP he has played a fraction of the games and in fact has half the amount of premier league goals. To put it into context he has one more than Grant Holt and one less than Yakubu.

Incidentally he doesn't have a better goals per minute record than Papa Cisse or Pogbrenayk, but similar to the RVP comparison its an absolute nonsense to make a comparison.

15 goals from open play in the premier lge in two season is not eough from him. He doesn't match the work rate of other strikers, and rarely drifts out wide creating chances.

However we all know he has the ability, if he applies himself he should stay, if not we need somebody for today. We cant just keep waiting for the penny to drop with Mario.

Its great that fans defend him, but the people who know him best Mancini, Mourinho, Pandelli have all spoken about how he needs to mature if he is to realise his ability. Therefore I dont understand the need to slag off other fans if they don't agree beacuse there is strong grounds to get rid, because of the circus which accompanies him.

If you slag Balo off you get slated by some on this forum, Kolarov fill your boots.

I didnt realise that only goals from open play counted well then Frank lampard is 3/4 goal a season midfielder not 20 goal one and Ronaldo well he should have his awards stripped. His record breaking seasons have all included 10 or more penalties.

 

[franksinatra]

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Mario's worse than Swales, worse than Ball, worse than Bradbury, Daley etc. Just the worst thing ever to have the highest goals to minutes striker in the league.

Why do fans keep quoting this minutes per goal comparison. Of course Balo has a better record than RVP he has played a fraction of the games and in fact has half the amount of premier league goals. To put it into context he has one more than Grant Holt and one less than Yakubu.

Incidentally he doesn't have a better goals per minute record than Papa Cisse or Pogbrenayk, but similar to the RVP comparison its an absolute nonsense to make a comparison.

15 goals from open play in the premier lge in two season is not eough from him. He doesn't match the work rate of other strikers, and rarely drifts out wide creating chances.

However we all know he has the ability, if he applies himself he should stay, if not we need somebody for today. We cant just keep waiting for the penny to drop with Mario.

Its great that fans defend him, but the people who know him best Mancini, Mourinho, Pandelli have all spoken about how he needs to mature if he is to realise his ability. Therefore I dont understand the need to slag off other fans if they don't agree beacuse there is strong grounds to get rid, because of the circus which accompanies him.

If you slag Balo off you get slated by some on this forum, Kolarov fill your boots.

I didnt realise that only goals from open play counted well then Frank lampard is 3/4 goal a season midfielder not 20 goal one and Ronaldo well he should have his awards stripped. His record breaking seasons have all included 10 or more penalties.

Yes penalities do count pal, but I never remember fans clamouring for Elano to stay or vindicating his place in the team because he is good at penalties. If you cannot see the value of strikers being judged on goals in open play, then that is pretty sad because out of those four penalities he has taken, at the least I would expect Milner, Aguero or other players as a minimum to score at least three of them, if not four, hence we need to look at other areas he also contributes.

As for Lampard being a 3/4 goal a season man without penalties, im guessing you are struggling to make a credible point as that is factually incorrect.

 

[didactic]

Yes penalities do count pal, but I never remember fans clamouring for Elano to stay or vindicating his place in the team because he is good at penalties. If you cannot see the value of strikers being judged on goals in open play, then that is pretty sad because out of those four penalities he has taken, at the least I would expect Milner, Aguero or other players as a minimum to score at least three of them, if not four, hence we need to look at other areas he also contributes.

As for Lampard being a 3/4 goal a season man without penalties, im guessing you are struggling to make a credible point as that is factually incorrect.

The only people who are struggling to make a point are the Mario bashers he scores they say ohh its penalties so not good enough. He tracks back and players fall over. Its not good enough why did he track back. He scores a wonder strike like his second last week, its not good enough as his goal per game ratio is high as he played so few.

Just say you dont like him there are paid professionals and we are in a title challenging season IF Mario was not good enough he would not play, we would not be second and he would not be in the squad. You mention Yakubu and other people much older than Mario with more PL experience. He is scoring more than

Torres
Berbatov
Geovirhno
Saurez
Drogba
Sturridge
Chicha
Welbeck
Walcott

And because he doesnt run around like a headless chicken he is not good enough? Because he likes easy vagina and crashes cars he has paid for he must be dropped immediately?

 

[fayeMCFC]

Not fucking interested in this shite. Bored as fuck of him and seeing him in newspapers.

Just do it on the pitch on a consistent basis and keep your face out of the papers. It is not much to ask.

Mind you, I can genuinely say that this story doesn't interest me in the slightest as I've been saying that all this 'Mario did this today........' shite is irrelevant bollocks since he got here.

I wonder how many "It wasn't his fault, get off his back merchants" can say that they honestly weren't "Haha, isn't Mario a legend, look what he is up to now" giddy nobheads 6 months ago encouraging this sort of obsession with the fool's private life and trying to make him into some sort of civic entertainer rather than just a professional footballer. Cos there was an awful lot of them on here and now they all seem to have been replaced with a lot of people outraged that the 'press are out to get him'.

All the giddy nobheads who were getting all silly about his 'antics' want to ask themselves why there is now a succession of stories about this 'character' and possibly could even ask themselves why this bloke has continued to displease his manager and some of his teammates with his antics, rather than buckling down as he is paid to. Cos they are definitely partly responsible for the first one and it isn't too much of a leap to think they their general attitude and hero worshipping of nobhead behaviour wasn't exactly helpful in making him realise his responsibilities (albeit only a slight contributory factor)

 

[Blue Smarties]

Pussyoles.

 

[franksinatra]

Yes penalities do count pal, but I never remember fans clamouring for Elano to stay or vindicating his place in the team because he is good at penalties. If you cannot see the value of strikers being judged on goals in open play, then that is pretty sad because out of those four penalities he has taken, at the least I would expect Milner, Aguero or other players as a minimum to score at least three of them, if not four, hence we need to look at other areas he also contributes.

As for Lampard being a 3/4 goal a season man without penalties, im guessing you are struggling to make a credible point as that is factually incorrect.

The only people who are struggling to make a point are the Mario bashers he scores they say ohh its penalties so not good enough. He tracks back and players fall over. Its not good enough why did he track back. He scores a wonder strike like his second last week, its not good enough as his goal per game ratio is high as he played so few.

Just say you dont like him there are paid professionals and we are in a title challenging season IF Mario was not good enough he would not play, we would not be second and he would not be in the squad. You mention Yakubu and other people much older than Mario with more PL experience. He is scoring more than

Torres
Berbatov
Geovirhno
Saurez
Drogba
Sturridge
Chicha
Welbeck
Walcott

And because he doesnt run around like a headless chicken he is not good enough? Because he likes easy vagina and crashes cars he has paid for he must be dropped immediately?

I dont think in anyone of my posts I have ever mentioned the choice of girls or him crashing cars. I judge Mario solely on things which affect his performances on the field, therefore your pigeon-holing somebody to suit the basis of your argument.

If you think Mario has done enough for the side this season thats upto you. Im not a Mario basher, I share a similar view to Mancini, Pandelli who believe he should contribute more to the team and this will be achieved by improving his behaviour.

If I considered City's player of the season over the course of the year it would probably be in this order.

Silva
Kompany
Aguero
Yaya
Barry
Richards
Hart
Clichy

With the likes of Kolarov, Balo, Nasri, Dzeko, Johnson, Zaba, De Jong making up the numbers. With his ability he should be near the top of the list.

 

[didactic]

Yes penalities do count pal, but I never remember fans clamouring for Elano to stay or vindicating his place in the team because he is good at penalties. If you cannot see the value of strikers being judged on goals in open play, then that is pretty sad because out of those four penalities he has taken, at the least I would expect Milner, Aguero or other players as a minimum to score at least three of them, if not four, hence we need to look at other areas he also contributes.

As for Lampard being a 3/4 goal a season man without penalties, im guessing you are struggling to make a credible point as that is factually incorrect.

The only people who are struggling to make a point are the Mario bashers he scores they say ohh its penalties so not good enough. He tracks back and players fall over. Its not good enough why did he track back. He scores a wonder strike like his second last week, its not good enough as his goal per game ratio is high as he played so few.

Just say you dont like him there are paid professionals and we are in a title challenging season IF Mario was not good enough he would not play, we would not be second and he would not be in the squad. You mention Yakubu and other people much older than Mario with more PL experience. He is scoring more than

Torres
Berbatov
Geovirhno
Saurez
Drogba
Sturridge
Chicha
Welbeck
Walcott

And because he doesnt run around like a headless chicken he is not good enough? Because he likes easy vagina and crashes cars he has paid for he must be dropped immediately?

I dont think in anyone of my posts I have ever mentioned the choice of girls or him crashing cars. I judge Mario solely on things which affect his performances on the field, therefore your pigeon-holing somebody to suit the basis of your argument.

If you think Mario has done enough for the side this season thats upto you. Im not a Mario basher, I share a similar view to Mancini, Pandelli who believe he should contribute more to the team and this will be achieved by improving his behaviour.

If I considered City's player of the season over the course of the year it would probably be in this order.

Silva
Kompany
Aguero
Yaya
Barry
Richards
Hart
Clichy

With the likes of Kolarov, Balo, Nasri, Dzeko, Johnson, Zaba, De Jong making up the numbers. With his ability he should be near the top of the list.

Not bashing just trying to understand where you are coming from.
Silva has done nothing since the new year.
Kompany has been off suspended and injured but good when there.
Aguero and Yaya I agree.
Barry and Richards unsung heros, I agree.
Hart has had a huge dip in form.
Clichy still on the fence.

Balo is top of the secondary list but you are right he should be next to Yaya and Aguero as our best players.

 

[franksinatra]

The only people who are struggling to make a point are the Mario bashers he scores they say ohh its penalties so not good enough. He tracks back and players fall over. Its not good enough why did he track back. He scores a wonder strike like his second last week, its not good enough as his goal per game ratio is high as he played so few.

Just say you dont like him there are paid professionals and we are in a title challenging season IF Mario was not good enough he would not play, we would not be second and he would not be in the squad. You mention Yakubu and other people much older than Mario with more PL experience. He is scoring more than

Torres
Berbatov
Geovirhno
Saurez
Drogba
Sturridge
Chicha
Welbeck
Walcott

And because he doesnt run around like a headless chicken he is not good enough? Because he likes easy vagina and crashes cars he has paid for he must be dropped immediately?

I dont think in anyone of my posts I have ever mentioned the choice of girls or him crashing cars. I judge Mario solely on things which affect his performances on the field, therefore your pigeon-holing somebody to suit the basis of your argument.

If you think Mario has done enough for the side this season thats upto you. Im not a Mario basher, I share a similar view to Mancini, Pandelli who believe he should contribute more to the team and this will be achieved by improving his behaviour.

If I considered City's player of the season over the course of the year it would probably be in this order.

Silva
Kompany
Aguero
Yaya
Barry
Richards
Hart
Clichy

With the likes of Kolarov, Balo, Nasri, Dzeko, Johnson, Zaba, De Jong making up the numbers. With his ability he should be near the top of the list.

Not bashing just trying to understand where you are coming from.
Silva has done nothing since the new year.
Kompany has been off suspended and injured but good when there.
Aguero and Yaya I agree.
Barry and Richards unsung heros, I agree.
Hart has had a huge dip in form.
Clichy still on the fence.

Balo is top of the secondary list but you are right he should be next to Yaya and Aguero as our best players.

So seen as we have found a bit of common ground and I take your point about Silva fall from grace over the second half of the season.

Playing devil's advocate, in the event next season we finish just short and Mario again misses large chunks of the season due to his behavour imposed by referess and managers alike and he again finishes top of the secondary list for player of the season. Would that be ok? Are would we be better buying a player displaying more responsibility and risk losing out on a player who is capable of being so much more?

 

[Skashion]

Why do fans keep quoting this minutes per goal comparison. Of course Balo has a better record than RVP he has played a fraction of the games and in fact has half the amount of premier league goals. To put it into context he has one more than Grant Holt and one less than Yakubu.

Incidentally he doesn't have a better goals per minute record than Papa Cisse or Pogbrenayk, but similar to the RVP comparison its an absolute nonsense to make a comparison.

15 goals from open play in the premier lge in two season is not eough from him. He doesn't match the work rate of other strikers, and rarely drifts out wide creating chances.

However we all know he has the ability, if he applies himself he should stay, if not we need somebody for today. We cant just keep waiting for the penny to drop with Mario.

Its great that fans defend him, but the people who know him best Mancini, Mourinho, Pandelli have all spoken about how he needs to mature if he is to realise his ability. Therefore I dont understand the need to slag off other fans if they don't agree beacuse there is strong grounds to get rid, because of the circus which accompanies him.

If you slag Balo off you get slated by some on this forum, Kolarov fill your boots.

Why of course? He still has to score the goals at that ratio to get that ratio! What a nonsensical argument to make. He doesn't get free goals in his account and then his lack of games somehow distorts the figure. The only point you're making there is that he's not played enough games. True enough, last season he was injured twice and suspended once. This season he's been suspended twice, and both were extremely harsh in my view. If that was a sending off against Liverpool then there should be a sending off a game at least in every Premier League game. Even if you don't get Mario benefit of the doubt for the Spurs 'stamp', and I certainly do, he was off-balance and then pushed by Modric, he got an additional game because it was his second suspension. So, at most, he should have been absent for three games (none in my view) this season and because of harsh treatment he's been missing for seven.

Oh, and by the way, I understand the penalty-taker argument but you can't take all his goals off him from penalties because a) he won a few himself; b) he's a better penalty taker than average. If you're going to take penalties off, only take off the penalties he scored that someone else won and add on the differential between the average Premier League penalty taker and Mario. Mario deserves some credit for being an excellent taker.

 

[franksinatra]

Why do fans keep quoting this minutes per goal comparison. Of course Balo has a better record than RVP he has played a fraction of the games and in fact has half the amount of premier league goals. To put it into context he has one more than Grant Holt and one less than Yakubu.

Incidentally he doesn't have a better goals per minute record than Papa Cisse or Pogbrenayk, but similar to the RVP comparison its an absolute nonsense to make a comparison.

15 goals from open play in the premier lge in two season is not eough from him. He doesn't match the work rate of other strikers, and rarely drifts out wide creating chances.

However we all know he has the ability, if he applies himself he should stay, if not we need somebody for today. We cant just keep waiting for the penny to drop with Mario.

Its great that fans defend him, but the people who know him best Mancini, Mourinho, Pandelli have all spoken about how he needs to mature if he is to realise his ability. Therefore I dont understand the need to slag off other fans if they don't agree beacuse there is strong grounds to get rid, because of the circus which accompanies him.

If you slag Balo off you get slated by some on this forum, Kolarov fill your boots.

Why of course? He still has to score the goals at that ratio to get that ratio! What a nonsensical argument to make. He doesn't get free goals in his account and then his lack of games somehow distorts the figure. The only point you're making there is that he's not played enough games. True enough, last season he was injured twice and suspended once. This season he's been suspended twice, and both were extremely harsh in my view. If that was a sending off against Liverpool then there should be a sending off a game at least in every Premier League game. Even if you don't get Mario benefit of the doubt for the Spurs 'stamp', and I certainly do, he was off-balance and then pushed by Modric, he got an additional game because it was his second suspension. So, at most, he should have been absent for three games (none in my view) this season and because of harsh treatment he's been missing for seven.

Oh, and by the way, I understand the penalty-taker argument but you can't take all his goals off him from penalties because a) he won a few himself; b) he's a better penalty taker than average. If you're going to take penalties off, only take off the penalties he scored that someone else won and add on the differential between the average Premier League penalty taker and Mario. Mario deserves some credit for being an excellent taker.

No my point is you make a comparison to RVP who has played infinitely more games and scored more goals but choose to ignore comparisons with players like Papa Cisse and Pogbrenyak. Its a distortion of statistics to suit your argument, highlighting the futility of the comparison. I would imagine Aguero would have better stats if he wasn't looking as weary due to carrying the burden of our attack for a banned Mario and out of form Dzeko.

As I tried to point out using statistics you could argue he is one goal better than Grant Holt and as didatic pointed out he is outscoring Torres, stats can be misleading. Hence I judge a player on his performances aswell.

Yes Mario is fantsatic at penalties but does not justify his place in the team, when players like Aguero, Milner etc are also excellent at penalties as you recognise.

I think he could and should have done more this season. As I have indiscated using the player of the season analogy. Where would he be on your list of player of the season?