Mark Clattenburg

forensic onions said:
The thing that is seriously amiss is mostly that we are expecting humans not to err, which is ridiculous. Offside for example, how an earth is a linesman meant to look in two places at exactly the same tim, to see the precise moment a ball leaves the passer's foot and the position of the recipient ? It's always going to be fallible.

There is the money and the technology to eradicate most of this silly bollocks from the sport at top level. They do it in other flowing sports (Rugby, American Football etc).

There is this spurious bullshit notion that adopting video evidence will slow the game down, but it stops with every contentious decision anyway as refs get surrounded and there's a fucking hand bag fest. With offsides you could just let the situation play out, if they score there is a massive delay while they celebrate and everyone slowly makes their way the re-start, easily enough time for the freeze frame to be checked and a decision to be made. If they don't it's irrelevant. With serious fouls that a ref or lino hasn't spotted, again, you just stop play 10-20 seconds after the incident and bring it back to where it took place, punish the offender accordingly and move on, no more delay than if the ref had seen it and stopped play.

They should also completely ban the ludicrous debacle of players approaching refs after decisions. Watching Rooney and Co ref games for years has been very frustrating.


As for yesterday, I really think 60 pages of conspiracy theory is daft, and I say the same about all clubs and my own club when we do it - with the obvious exception of when anyone played at OT over least couple of decades, as some seriously fucked up refereeing occurred there without any doubt - and maybe Anfield too going back. I think you could say it was harsh and I could easily understand why it wouldn't be given, but I think it was daft of Sterling to jump like that and I do think it hit part of his arm - just my honest opinion - so I don't think it was a controversial as some - Vardy hanging his left leg into Monreal for example against Arsenal yesterday.

I also don't understand the "it's OK for Clattenberg (or any ref) not to book players for clearly yellow card offences because it's early in the game" bollocks? What does it matter what minute it is, you're booking the offence not the time? And I think Yaya and City got away with 4 or 5 cardable offences before Clattenberg then booked Dier for probably tottenham's first cardable offence.

I'm not trying to WUM anyone up, I like being able to go on different forums and I hate the infantile tribalism that often exists the minute anyone who isn't a fan of that club appears - and believe me I see it on my own teams forum as well - I genuinely try to take a pragmatic and honest stance with regards to the game.

I've been a big defender of City elsewhere as I'm sure you are aware you are now perceived as a club who's bought their way to success unfairly - I think that's bollocks, in as much as all clubs buy their way to success and how are teams outside the old money uber club ever going to catch up without perfectly legal financial legs ups from generous benefactors. Why should the status quo be preserved just so the same clubs can reap the benefit and grow whilst the rest of us have to settle for being also rans with the odd 15 minutes of glory in a cup etc.

And while I'm at it I'd add that I was also fucking delighted that Pep chose ManC - I really didn't think he would - for exactly the same reason. I'm looking forward to having him in the Prem and the apoplectically suicidal reaction from ManU fans was priceless.
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You claimed to be a City fan about 5 pages ago, you're on the WUM, you've been called out on it and back tracked terribly.

I cant really be arsed replying to your essay im sure someone with more time on here will, but as I said, you're definitely on the WUM
 
gazinho said:
You claimed to be a City fan about 5 pages ago, you're on the WUM, you've been called out on it and back tracked terribly.

I cant really be arsed replying to your essay im sure someone with more time on here will, but as I said, you're definitely on the WUM
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Where did I claim to be a City fan ? From my first post on here I've stated that I'm not.
 
Dave Ewing's Back 'eader said:
It'll be the one that the Rags have requested. I reckon it'll be Atkinson! And if Crappenberg is anywhere near this game he should be pilloried non-stop for ninety minutes.

Just out of interest has Crappenberg gone into print or verbals and apologised for probably the worst decision of the season?
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As long as its not Michael "too scared to award a penalty unless its a soft one for the rags" Oliver
 
BrianW said:
The problem is that the people running City are too nice, too polite.
If old Whisky Nose across the way had had half these bad decisions given against him back in the day, all hell would have broken loose.

Plus, the Sheikh badly needs to buy a newspaper and a TV station to counteract to endless negative propaganda.
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If he bought any media his problem would be to find other than City supporters to read or listen to it.
He does not need the revenue but the newspapers do so they feed the majority with what they want to hear.

The only reason Sir Alex had his views published was because of who he managed so it generated income for that media.
 
forensic onions said:
The thing that is seriously amiss is mostly that we are expecting humans not to err, which is ridiculous. Offside for example, how an earth is a linesman meant to look in two places at exactly the same tim, to see the precise moment a ball leaves the passer's foot and the position of the recipient ? It's always going to be fallible.
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There is genuine human error and there is the travesty of a refereeing decision we saw on Sunday. The two are a million miles apart. There is also the 'human error' that sees a genuinely honest guy who tries every single match to stay on his feet no matter how much ankle tapping goes on, calf raking, tackles from behind, being cautioned for diving! Some of the referees currently whistling their way across the nation's PL stadia have 'baggage' that doesn't belong on a football field. Just how many games has Corporal Jones seen of Aguero attempting to stay on his feet no matter what range of foul play he suffers? I suspect he came with the notion he was going to book somebody early on in the season for diving, and Sergio gave him the first opportunity.
 
SilverFox2 said:
If he bought any media his problem would be to find other than City supporters to read or listen to it.
He does not need the revenue but the newspapers do so they feed the majority with what they want to hear.

The only reason Sir Alex had his views published was because of who he managed so it generated income for that media.
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If he did buy a Newspaper, I can imagine turning to page 3 and saying..............Mmmmmmm nice pair of eyes.
 
Carlos- the- jackal said:
It didn't hit his hand you fuckin plum and i don't know anyone blue or any other football allegiance that thinks it did,you nake some decent points otherwise but your credibilty just goes out the window with your comments on the Sterling non handball.
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What the fuck are you on about. If you going to have a go at someone at least reply to the correct post even I get that bit fucking right.
 
gios_left_boot said:
Hello everyone finally decided to join up after being a lurker for years, I should have joined years ago but better late than never.
I have to give my piece on this biased ref thread and I can safely say I'm in the camp that some refs are definitely on the take. One thing I haven't seen posted on here is the amount of times the refs blow the oppositions way nearly all game, then towards the last 15-20 minutes of a game (after the damage as normally been done) we get a flurry of free kicks in our favour normally little niggles as if to even the numbers out for the stats at the end of the game, I believe in an effort to hide the clear bias from the ref, I'm not sure if anyone else as picked up on it but certainly happens.
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That was defintely the case with Peter Walton who used to ref all our games with Everton and was totally bent. With him we only got decisions in the last 5 minutes. He made Clattenburg seem like Mike Sumerbee.
 
HalfwayUpTheKippax said:
That was defintely the case with Peter Walton who used to ref all our games with Everton and was totally bent. With him we only got decisions in the last 5 minutes. He made Clattenburg seem like Mike Sumerbee.
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From recollection Walton was a horror show alright not sure he was that much worse than Clattenclown though
 
forensic onions said:
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If that laughable picture was taken from the side angle it might have some credibility, but as it's head on you cannot possibly tell whether the ball is actually touching his arm or is a yard behind it having cannoned off his back. Same drill as per the 'ball over the line' incident against Everton. From the camera on the 18 yard line, that BT Sport deliberately used ad nauseum to persuade people we'd gotten away with something, the ball looked miles out. From the camera actually over the goal line though, which they showed just once, it was arguable that it wasn't out at all but rather touching the outer edge of the line. That notwithstanding it's high time you did one. As before, if you truly believe that the ball hit Sterling's arm rather than his back then you're either demented or Lenny Peters
 
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ccr said:
If he did buy a Newspaper, I can imagine turning to page 3 and saying..............Mmmmmmm nice pair of eyes.
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Fair point, meant to say of course if he bought a Newspaper business to air the views of a City point of view.
 
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