Martin Demichelis

[cleavers]

Does anyone realise our teams goals against 20 is the same as Hull City and only 2 better than West Ham who are fourth bottom.

Hardly League winning defending.

Yet its equal 6th BEST in the league, and 6 of the 20 goals came in two away games, very nearly 3 months ago.

Apart from Liverpool who are 9 behind us, the next nearest team is 18 behind in goals scored, if we keep scoring as we are, its very clearly league winning attacking.

 

[Stoned Rose]

The number of you falling for Hansen's mythology is alarming.

MDM played very well yesterday and is absolutely dynamite on corners and set pieces.

Shits on Lescott and Nastasic.

Which part though? He does have a habit of diving in, not just yesterday but on several other occasions this season.
He did play well overall against Fulham and there's no doubts that corners and set pieces are now a lot more dangerous when he's in the mix.
The way we set up these days he's definitely the better option out of Lescott/Garcia and to a certain extent Nastasic, though my own preference would be to see Nasty back in when fit.

Vinny also has a habit of 'diving in', so what?

MDM suits MPs system better than Nasty. He is more experienced, more intelligent, better on the ball, plays out from the back quicker and is better on set pieces and corners.

MP will pick MDM over Nasty more often than not.

 

[Phil1]

The number of you falling for Hansen's mythology is alarming.

MDM played very well yesterday and is absolutely dynamite on corners and set pieces.

Shits on Lescott and Nastasic.


What you are also missing is that being 'defensive solid' won us fuck all last season.

Winning football matches and winning trophies is about scoring more than the opposition. It really is that simple.

I'm not missing fuck all, I'm fully aware of what happened last season. I'm also aware of how scoring more than the opposition means you're likely to win trophies - I've agreed in an earlier post and have bought into how we set up and play the game. It doesn't mean I can't get nervous when we're making the errors we are that seem to have set in this year.

 

[Anonymous]

The number of you falling for Hansen's mythology is alarming.

MDM played very well yesterday and is absolutely dynamite on corners and set pieces.

Shits on Lescott and Nastasic.


What you are also missing is that being 'defensive solid' won us fuck all last season.

Winning football matches and winning trophies is about scoring more than the opposition. It really is that simple.

I'm not missing fuck all, I'm fully aware of what happened last season. I'm also aware of how scoring more than the opposition means you're likely to win trophies - I've agreed in an earlier post and have bought into how we set up and play the game. It doesn't mean I can't get nervous when we're making the errors we are that seem to have set in this year.

The way I see it, the 'errors' or goals conceded are the downside of the system. I'm not sure it can be eradicated completely. I see the point SR is making about MDM. He's far better suited to playing the way Pellegrini wants than Nasty is, even if Nasty is a better defender. It's not really a bad problem to have to have to pick between the two of them, in many respects it's the perfect combination because of their respective qualities.

 

[Phil1]

The number of you falling for Hansen's mythology is alarming.

MDM played very well yesterday and is absolutely dynamite on corners and set pieces.

Shits on Lescott and Nastasic.

Which part though? He does have a habit of diving in, not just yesterday but on several other occasions this season.
He did play well overall against Fulham and there's no doubts that corners and set pieces are now a lot more dangerous when he's in the mix.
The way we set up these days he's definitely the better option out of Lescott/Garcia and to a certain extent Nastasic, though my own preference would be to see Nasty back in when fit.

Vinny also has a habit of 'diving in', so what?

MDM suits MPs system better than Nasty. He is more experienced, more intelligent, better on the ball, plays out from the back quicker and is better on set pieces and corners.

MP will pick MDM over Nasty more often than not.

So what? He's more than proved over the time he's been with us that he's one of the best in the world and his ability to get back after jumping in helps whereas Demi has no pace to recover.
All the positives you point out about Demi's game I agree with, you seem to have a bee in your bonnet about people not thinking he's our best option though. Pelligrini may well choose him more often than not, that's his perogative - mine, as a fan is to disagree with that decision if I think its wrong. Obviously whilst we're scoring 4/5/6 a game our game plan and team selection is working, either way I'm happy with what I'm watching, regardless of the odd mistake at the back.<br /><br />-- Sun Dec 22, 2013 2:07 pm --<br /><br />

The number of you falling for Hansen's mythology is alarming.

MDM played very well yesterday and is absolutely dynamite on corners and set pieces.

Shits on Lescott and Nastasic.


What you are also missing is that being 'defensive solid' won us fuck all last season.

Winning football matches and winning trophies is about scoring more than the opposition. It really is that simple.

I'm not missing fuck all, I'm fully aware of what happened last season. I'm also aware of how scoring more than the opposition means you're likely to win trophies - I've agreed in an earlier post and have bought into how we set up and play the game. It doesn't mean I can't get nervous when we're making the errors we are that seem to have set in this year.

The way I see it, the 'errors' or goals conceded are the downside of the system. I'm not sure it can be eradicated completely. I see the point SR is making about MDM. He's far better suited to playing the way Pellegrini wants than Nasty is, even if Nasty is a better defender. It's not really a bad problem to have to have to pick between the two of them, in many respects it's the perfect combination because of their respective qualities.

I've stated earlier that what's happening is a downside of our system and that I'm happy to go along with it. His points about MDM are valid as well, on the flip side so our my own. Trying to disregard any potential problems is where we seem to differ on the subject.

 

[sh249]

The number of you falling for Hansen's mythology is alarming.

MDM played very well yesterday and is absolutely dynamite on corners and set pieces.

Shits on Lescott and Nastasic.


What you are also missing is that being 'defensive solid' won us fuck all last season.

Winning football matches and winning trophies is about scoring more than the opposition. It really is that simple.

I'm not missing fuck all, I'm fully aware of what happened last season. I'm also aware of how scoring more than the opposition means you're likely to win trophies - I've agreed in an earlier post and have bought into how we set up and play the game. It doesn't mean I can't get nervous when we're making the errors we are that seem to have set in this year.

The way I see it, the 'errors' or goals conceded are the downside of the system. I'm not sure it can be eradicated completely. I see the point SR is making about MDM. He's far better suited to playing the way Pellegrini wants than Nasty is, even if Nasty is a better defender. It's not really a bad problem to have to have to pick between the two of them, in many respects it's the perfect combination because of their respective qualities.

This is how I see it, too. Demichelis seems to pretty much embody Pellegrini's philosophy - it's all high risks, high rewards. Sure, he dives in, he's forever trying to get in front and nick the ball, and when he gets it wrong, it can look pretty gruesome. But the ability to win the ball back so quickly (not just him, Vinny as well) is also directly related to how good we are on the counter/at cutting teams to shreds going forward. At the moment, it's obviously paying off. Does produce the odd (or fairly frequent) hair-raising moment, though.

 

[baildon blue]

Got to say Hansen was right . He isn't the solution to being are best centre back . I would rather have Lescott than Demichelis

 

[steviemc]

I'm amazed how some fans didn't see the complete game, yet supplied a review of Martin Demichelis on the basis of MOTD. That's about as useful as judging a player's quality on the basis of of a few youtube clips.

 

[Berkovic_blue]

The number of you falling for Hansen's mythology is alarming.

MDM played very well yesterday and is absolutely dynamite on corners and set pieces.

Shits on Lescott and Nastasic.

Which part though? He does have a habit of diving in, not just yesterday but on several other occasions this season.
He did play well overall against Fulham and there's no doubts that corners and set pieces are now a lot more dangerous when he's in the mix.
The way we set up these days he's definitely the better option out of Lescott/Garcia and to a certain extent Nastasic, though my own preference would be to see Nasty back in when fit.

Vinny also has a habit of 'diving in', so what?

MDM suits MPs system better than Nasty. He is more experienced, more intelligent, better on the ball, plays out from the back quicker and is better on set pieces and corners.

MP will pick MDM over Nasty more often than not.

Nastasic is a far better defender. Demichelis has looked shaky in nearly every game, I don't Hansen or anyone else to form that opinion. He doesn't have the pace to recover when he commits and he has a tendency to hack the ball out of defence, see the Southampton game for example. I would even start Lescott ahead of him who has looked reasonably assured when he's played this season

 

[gmckennasell]

Demechilis was signed as cover , hes 34 , so hes not going to set the world a light with his pace , but are there many better in the premiership ? Terry , Camelgob , Luiz, Skirtel , Toure , are certainly not , Komps and Nasty was a decent partnership and MP will revert to this pairing when fit , But i cannot understand what lescott has done wrong , still a great defender and was a vital member of our premiership winning team , i still believe a back 4 of zabs,komps,lescott and clichy is the best available.