Martin Demichelis

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pudge said:
rastus said:
pudge said:
Because your question is irrelevant.

Although by asking if it was the "greater mistake" you are at least acknowledging that MD made a mistake himself.

Which was my point.

No need for you to get insecure and bring another player into it.
Hes got you there pudge, you sound like a politician
Im not arguing Kompanys share of the blame though.

I just stated MD made a mistake, not the "bigger" mistake.

Ive been dragged into an arguement i wasnt having.

You claimed I was just deflecting from Demichellis' mistake but considering the stick he is getting and the fact Kompany is getting away without any blame by the majority is unfair. If Kompany hadn't made the first mistake none of this would have happened which is a big point and not simply deflecting from the fault of Demichellis.
 
steviemc said:
Those that suggest MD shouldn't have made the challenge haven't yet offered an alternative.

Perhaps he should have just run after him, but at more of a jogging pace, to ensure that he didn't catch him up. Thus allowing a few people on here to pat themselves on the back and say 'I told you MD is really sloooow'

** i agree he's not quick but he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't by some on here.

He should put the attacker under pressure and trust his goalkeeper. When Evans got sent off during the 6.1 did you think he made the correct decision by trying to get the ball of Balotelli?
 
steviemc said:
Those that suggest MD shouldn't have made the challenge haven't yet offered an alternative.

Perhaps he should have just run after him, but at more of a jogging pace, to ensure that he didn't catch him up. Thus allowing a few people on here to pat themselves on the back and say 'I told you MD is really sloooow'

** i agree he's not quick but he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't by some on here.
The last thing he should have done is bring him down in a situation to get sent off.

1. Leg it and do as much as you can to put him off his shot without fouling him, if he can't catch him at least we'd still have had XI men and Messi may have missed/Joe may have saved the shot.
2. Give up on it
3.
4.
5.
---a few more things---

1001. Bring him down and get sent off.
 
steviemc said:
Those that suggest MD shouldn't have made the challenge haven't yet offered an alternative.

Perhaps he should have just run after him, but at more of a jogging pace, to ensure that he didn't catch him up. Thus allowing a few people on here to pat themselves on the back and say 'I told you MD is really sloooow'

** i agree he's not quick but he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't by some on here.

The alternative was to chase him putting him under pressure and leave it to Hart to see if he could save Messi's shot. Messi has missed one on ones before believe it or not. The worst thing he could have done is what he did.
 
ForzaMancini said:
pudge said:
rastus said:
Hes got you there pudge, you sound like a politician
Im not arguing Kompanys share of the blame though.

I just stated MD made a mistake, not the "bigger" mistake.

Ive been dragged into an arguement i wasnt having.

You claimed I was just deflecting from Demichellis' mistake but considering the stick he is getting and the fact Kompany is getting away without any blame by the majority is unfair. If Kompany hadn't made the first mistake none of this would have happened which is a big point and not simply deflecting from the fault of Demichellis.
You said people jump on every mistake MD makes

I then said MD should stop making mistakes then. You have even acknowledged it was a mistake.

You then asked me wasnt Kompanys the "greater mistake". Thats not the discussion nor the point which is why its irrelevant.

You went off on a tangent trying to prove a point to someone who wasnt debating it.
 
RandomJ said:
steviemc said:
Those that suggest MD shouldn't have made the challenge haven't yet offered an alternative.

Perhaps he should have just run after him, but at more of a jogging pace, to ensure that he didn't catch him up. Thus allowing a few people on here to pat themselves on the back and say 'I told you MD is really sloooow'

** i agree he's not quick but he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't by some on here.

The alternative was to chase him putting him under pressure and leave it to Hart to see if he could save Messi's shot. Messi has missed one on ones before believe it or not. The worst thing he could have done is what he did.
Defender has to challenge for the ball. You have the benefit of hindsight knowing that he did not make the tackle.
 
pudge said:
steviemc said:
Those that suggest MD shouldn't have made the challenge haven't yet offered an alternative.

Perhaps he should have just run after him, but at more of a jogging pace, to ensure that he didn't catch him up. Thus allowing a few people on here to pat themselves on the back and say 'I told you MD is really sloooow'

** i agree he's not quick but he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't by some on here.
Except they have

Demichellis hasn't got the pace to keep up with Messi. Messi is racing through one on one with Joe Hart. 9 times out of 10 he will bury it. We are playing well, holding our own against Barcelona. Demichellis has a split second to decide what to do. He sees the ball and when he made the challenge he felt the ball was there to be won. It's all very well to sit back and say he shouldn't have done it but it all happens so fast it's hard to blame him, same way it's hard to blame the ref for giving a penalty. A mistake yes, but an understandable one. Kompany's however was hugely out of character and a rare blot on his normally immaculate record.
 
I'm sick of reading such dire dribble of people defending him. For such an experienced player he switches off way to often. The defence is usually " ah but he did this...." The only plus side one of his hair brain dive ins actually worked for a change. Gives the ball away without looking where he's hit it. I'm sure he was brought in for a similar effect as Vieira in terms of winning mentality etc... but hes so far past his sell by date there are occasional flashes of what he was but not enough to justify his selection
 
I don't really blame Demichelis for that challenge, it was a split-second decision to go for the ball and I'm not convinced any of our other centre halves wouldn't have done the same thing.

I actually thought he was playing quite well until then, though we certainly need another top quality defender this summer, but the club are obviously well aware of that.
 
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