Martin Demichelis

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Nasty and VK first choice for me.
DM certainly a decent back up until we bring in Ramos or another top CB
 
Proelia said:
grim up north said:
Proelia said:
Such a myth hes not even overly slow , maldini or baresi were not speed demons themselves but then you get to many fifa managers these days, who are in reality probably sitting in a dark room fappn over their ultimate team
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Apparently you only need pace to be a footballer according to most on here
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Yea look at kyle walker
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Exactly. Superb footballer.
 
I thought it was a little rude how Martin just sat through the press conference listening to music while he answered the journalists.
 
Beermonster said:
Anyone else noticed that he seems to jump in and ends up leaving us vulnerable as he's then out of position?
When it comes off it looks World Class but seen it create a good chance a number of times (De Guzman springs to mind).
Also think he loses his marker in the box to often when the ball is coming in from the wings.
Other than these I think hes not a bad player, comfortable on the ball, not bad in the air, etc but is what he is a short term solution.
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After a whole 6 games in the PL (and 2 in europe ?), do you think he might still be adjusting to the pace of our league ? How many different partners has he had in those 6 games as well ?

Looks good back up to me, he's certainly not slow running wise, I think I might give him a few more games yet before believing anyone declaring him our worst ever defender......given some of the shite I've seen.
 
Was very poor against West Brom and Southampton, and think Lescott should come back for our game against Arsenal, but otherwise he's not too bad. Reads the game very well and could be a valued asset once he settles in
 
cleavers said:
Beermonster said:
Anyone else noticed that he seems to jump in and ends up leaving us vulnerable as he's then out of position?
When it comes off it looks World Class but seen it create a good chance a number of times (De Guzman springs to mind).
Also think he loses his marker in the box to often when the ball is coming in from the wings.
Other than these I think hes not a bad player, comfortable on the ball, not bad in the air, etc but is what he is a short term solution.
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After a whole 6 games in the PL (and 2 in europe ?), do you think he might still be adjusting to the pace of our league ? How many different partners has he had in those 6 games as well ?

Looks good back up to me, he's certainly not slow running wise, I think I might give him a few more games yet before believing anyone declaring him our worst ever defender......given some of the shite I've seen.
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He's actually got some of the same qualities/instincts that make Vinny such a world class defender. The only thing is that Vinny does it very convincingly and always has your confidence that nobody is getting past him. Saying that, Osvaldo is the first player I've seen have Vinny off since I can remember!
 
M24 Citizen said:
cleavers said:
Beermonster said:
Anyone else noticed that he seems to jump in and ends up leaving us vulnerable as he's then out of position?
When it comes off it looks World Class but seen it create a good chance a number of times (De Guzman springs to mind).
Also think he loses his marker in the box to often when the ball is coming in from the wings.
Other than these I think hes not a bad player, comfortable on the ball, not bad in the air, etc but is what he is a short term solution.
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After a whole 6 games in the PL (and 2 in europe ?), do you think he might still be adjusting to the pace of our league ? How many different partners has he had in those 6 games as well ?

Looks good back up to me, he's certainly not slow running wise, I think I might give him a few more games yet before believing anyone declaring him our worst ever defender......given some of the shite I've seen.
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He's actually got some of the same qualities/instincts that make Vinny such a world class defender. The only thing is that Vinny does it very convincingly and always has your confidence that nobody is getting past him. Saying that, Osvaldo is the first player I've seen have Vinny off since I can remember!
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Yes I have not said he is a bad player...just pointing out a few faults I have noticed. As M24 says the way that Vinny is able to jump in and win the ball which makes him World Class, Demichelis is also capable of this...but it has been mistimed a few times which leaves us extremely vulnerable at the back.
The short term solution comment was directed at his age, and as I said he is a good back up but not the answer.
 
I've changed my mind about Demichellis. For me he is like a poor man's Vincent Kompany. He's very commanding and likes to come out and attack the ball, reads the game excellently, and is generally a very good defender - just not quite as good as Kompany.

The problem for me is, the fact he is commanding and likes to attack the ball are all very similar traits to Kompany - and I think it's a bad idea to have two players like this at center back. That's why the Kompany/Lescott partenership 2 years ago was so effective. Kompany went out and attacked the ball while Lescott sat back and covered. The partnership of Demichellis and Kompany for me will never work because they both go out and attack the ball, which is why I think we conceded 3 sloppy goals against West Brom and Southampton (although this could be seen as very harsh as Osvaldo's goal was pure class, nonetheless both players did want to both go and attack him).

For me (at the moment) our best partnership is Kompany (attacking the ball) and Lescott (sitting back), and the replacements (or rotation defense) should be Demichelis (atacking the ball ) and Nastasic (sitting back) - and then, obviously when Nastasic is old and ready enough, he will take Lescott's place.
 
Still needs to improve his passing from the back - he clearly has the technique & ability but they're just being misplaced too often.

His best aspect is his authority and dominance in the air so far.
 
JJCMCFC said:
I've changed my mind about Demichellis. For me he is like a poor man's Vincent Kompany. He's very commanding and likes to come out and attack the ball, reads the game excellently, and is generally a very good defender - just not quite as good as Kompany.

The problem for me is, the fact he is commanding and likes to attack the ball are all very similar traits to Kompany - and I think it's a bad idea to have two players like this at center back. That's why the Kompany/Lescott partenership 2 years ago was so effective. Kompany went out and attacked the ball while Lescott sat back and covered. The partnership of Demichellis and Kompany for me will never work because they both go out and attack the ball, which is why I think we conceded 3 sloppy goals against West Brom and Southampton (although this could be seen as very harsh as Osvaldo's goal was pure class, nonetheless both players did want to both go and attack him).

For me (at the moment) our best partnership is Kompany (attacking the ball) and Lescott (sitting back), and the replacements (or rotation defense) should be Demichelis (atacking the ball ) and Nastasic (sitting back) - and then, obviously when Nastasic is old and ready enough, he will take Lescott's place.
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Good post, seems to ring quite true.

Although personally I think Nastasic has Lescott covered in most areas even at his young age.

People are adamant that we need to outlay big money for a new centre half; IMO, we've currently got the men to do the job, providing Vinnie can start to overcome his injury woes.

Kompany and Nastasic are our long term pair and complement each other well. Demichelis and Lescott you'd think aren't going to be with us for a great deal longer, Rekik I feel is good enough to back up Nasty on the left and surely we can slowly promote someone from our youth to eventually play first cab off the rank for Vinnie (Boyata?)
 
Along with the rest of the defence a ropey start but then had a good game, well supported/protected by the midfield two in front of him.
 
Nice to see Martin beginning to get some credit. Our performances in general have improved since he's come in. He misplaces to many passes for my liking, but he hits a lot of good ones too. His reading of the game is exceptional, and he gets so many little nicks in to disrupt the opposition. I think he's already first choice alongside Vinny, and we'll see that when Nasty returns. And he's brilliant in the air.
 
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