Martin Samuel on Jose/FFP

[Ducado]

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/exclusive-manchester-city-do-deal-for-first-refusal-on-brazilian-talent-9117116.html

Gil Vicente, with seven Brazilians on their books, said the City partnership would bring it "sustainability, projection, prestige" and an "international dimension". Deals with the two clubs may also help City account for some of the huge revenues they have claimed for the sale of their intellectual property to "related parties" – £22.45m in the recently published 2012/13 annual accounts – in order to help pass their impending FFP test. City must show as much revenue as possible to offset losses and come within the FFP figure of £37m lost over the last two seasons.

City say they earned the £22.45m by selling scouting and commercial services to their own Melbourne Heart soccer franchise, Manchester City Ladies FC and their New York City FC – City's new Major League Soccer club. But Melbourne was only bought last month and the women's team requires an entirely different scouting system to the men's side. Analysts are subsequently baffled as to how the new US venture could possibly have contributed so substantially to City's revenues.

The new Portuguese ventures may generate intellectual property sales to boost City's hopes of FFP compliance, though both are modestly financed clubs.

Sad to say but I think City are going to have a hard time selling the latest figures to UEFA. I think we'll be the first to suffer under FFP but to what degree is anyones guess. I just think UEFA are looking for someone to beat their stick with and City would be a prize scalp for them. It's not been a good week at the office has it!

Rather than telling us what you think, could you care to quantify your statement? What makes you think that? We need facts and figurers not thoughts and feelings

 

[Balti]

ffp

yawn

 

[I'm no cynic but...]

Sad to say but I think City are going to have a hard time selling the latest figures to UEFA. I think we'll be the first to suffer under FFP but to what degree is anyones guess. I just think UEFA are looking for someone to beat their stick with and City would be a prize scalp for them. It's not been a good week at the office has it!

Rather than telling us what you think, could you care to quantify your statement? What makes you think that? We need facts and figurers not thoughts and feelings

I think the very worst that could happen is that City would be fined, and City will just pay it because they can! Any punishment that is more severe than that will be contested in court and will likely prove to be expensive to UEFA.

The fact is City have no debt and do not default on their payments. There is no need to dodge the club's tax bill by hiding their accounts in the Cayman Islands whilst pretending something like one person in every thirteen on this planet is a MUFC supporter, something which is claimed on that club's official website and on a page which is for the consumption of potential investors [is this fraudulent?]. Nor is there any need to listen to a club with a divided Boardroom, one which will not accept a major shareholder with around 30% of that club's shares and who wishes to splash the cash, whereas the sitting Board members are content to charge supporters the highest prices in the country whilst at the same time dishing out healthy dividends to themselves. This is the same club of course which witters away at FFP more than most, yet at the same time happily accepts around £80m in inflated transfer fees from the club they criticise the most. As for the other member of the Holy Trinity, Chelsea, then there is nothing to say that they have only just scrapped through on their present figures after ten years or so only doing what City are having to do to make the Premier League a competition rather than a pointless procession. In Chelsea's case, hypocrisy is of the highest order.

 

[fbloke]

The noises coming from other clubs are to deflect from their own issues.

There was talk about a price cap for tickets back in the early days of FFP - Imagine if that were to come back on the agenda? Perhaps Arsenal would like to revisit that one?

There are issues with KHR over at Bayern and they never talk about state subsidies as they benefitted from over £220m of them for their sparkling new stadium.

Nor are Bayern getting too noisy about related party transactions when two of their biggest backers also own part of the club. (Audi 9.1% and Adidas 9.1%) so I wonder if THEIR sponsorship deals are at fair market value?

In Spain there are enough issues with state aid and dodgy deals to shake a stick at and of course the problems with third party payments could be an even bigger issue.

The way Chelsea finance things means that they should refrain from chucking that stone whilst residing in a place fit for tomatoes.

AlsoI would like to know if this is a healthy way to run football, how many clubs do they have an influence on?

 

[Maldeika]

There are issues with KHR over at Bayern and they never talk about state subsidies as they benefitted from over £220m of them for their sparkling new stadium.

Nor are Bayern getting too noisy about related party transactions when two of their biggest backers also own part of the club. (Audi 9.1% and Adidas 9.1%) so I wonder if THEIR sponsorship deals are at fair market value?

They do not talk about state subsidies as they did not get anything special from them. The stadium was totally financed by them even if they got the ground for a reasonable price. But that is nothing you talk about, or? They built the stadium in a new to be developed area in Munich - so the infrastructure around the stadium like e.g. the connection to the Autobahn that is today used by them and a new industrial area and the connection by the U-Bahn was financed by state and city. I do not think that is so special. If a city wants to get industry in town the same is made with new industrial or new living areas. That was just a normal process in city planning - the new built stadium and the World Cup might have prioritised that project to other. How did Manchester City get the Etihad stadium? ....

Bayern gets about 18 to 20 million EUR a year for their kit sponsoring from Adidas. If you compare that to the sums Chelsea, Manchester United etc. get...