Martin Samuel: The plot to shackle City & Chelsea

gordondaviesmoustache said:
Thinking about it, sanctions are going to have a much greater impact on the integrity of a relatively enclosed league system than a pan-European cup competition.

The ultimate sanction within UEFA is exclusion from entering the competition. Assuming that the established clubs will be left alone (a pretty safe assumption) then the impact on the wider competition would be relatively limited, I reckon. The Champions League is a 32 team competition and the odd missing team from here or there, wouldn't necessarily enormously undermine its integrity.

A league system is different, however. You only have to look to Italy to see the effect that points being routinely docked has had on the reputation of their league. The same could be said of the Football League at various points in recent history. But it goes further than that. Whether a team has been found guilty of corruption or gone into administration or not is very much a matter of fact. A straight yes and no.

If this is implemented, the Premier League could be reduced to farce as clubs argue about technical accounting points for months, and maybe years on end. Matters such as the outcome of relegation and promotion could then be subject to judicial determination, some considerable time after when the League would require to operate within its usual timetable. The Sheffield United/West Ham/Tevez case gives a flavour, albeit on an much smaller scale, of the way this could play out.

Talk about bringing the game into disrepute.
Very insightful post. No doubt there'd be a sliding scale, starting with a warning, then fines, then transfer embargo, then finally points deductions.

Obviously there would be disputes and appeals though - seems difficult to think that they'll really go for this as it would seriously damage the league's credibility and appeal. Hard to see how workable it is, whereas, as you say, a club could be banned from the CL and appeal that ban without causing everything to come to a grinding halt or require league tables to be restated etc. Would be very messy in a league with promotion and relegation - which of course doesn't apply to European competition.
 
LoveCity said:
All eyes on PSG's sponsorship deal. IF approved we can go ahead with a £200million-per-year deal with Abu Dhabi Tourism and UEFA can do nothing without applying double standards that City could surely start legal action over.

Some for of sponsorship with Mubadala would be nice: they have a pretty strong balance sheet and a their Chief Exec is a lovely man.
 
BillyShears said:
A question - apologies if someone's already asked it - but what sanctions exactly do the PL intend to impose if clubs fail to meet FFP ?

Just asked that question myself mate... im fooked if I know..
 
oakiecokie said:
stonerblue said:
Sigh said:
The solution today is the same as the solution "yesterday."

The application of pressure (I'm not going to say force, as that may cause others to draw an inference to external restraint) to the most vulnerable presentation of the enemy's aspect.

Beginning with the selection of those with proven experience in the collection of data more likely than not to be inflammatory, prejudicial & relevant to the end desired, & terminating with "brown envelopes" on the desks of those with a true interest in maintaining the contents of said envelopes a matter between them - the recipient - and the envelope:

or, persist in doing that which will NOT work as the conflicting interests are mutually exclusive. Two objects cannot occupy the same space at the same time.

3 times and i'm still no wiser.

Hahah.Thanks fuck for that.Thought it was just me,being thick as pigshit.

The financial (and ego) stakes, and opposed ends, mean that extra-legal contigencies ought to have been developed at the same time normal channels of dispute resolution were being used: after all, one may have misinterpreted the opponent; or he, you. Ends might not actually be opposed.

From the off on it's face ends were opposed, and given the money involved, dispute resolution methods other than the visible and / or usual ought to have been sanctioned, these methods (or contingencies) becoming more concrete as it became clearer the primae facie judgment (x or y, but not both) was correct after all.
 
OB1 said:
LoveCity said:
All eyes on PSG's sponsorship deal. IF approved we can go ahead with a £200million-per-year deal with Abu Dhabi Tourism and UEFA can do nothing without applying double standards that City could surely start legal action over.

Some for of sponsorship with Mubadala would be nice: they have a pretty strong balance sheet and a their Chief Exec is a lovely man.

A medical tie in for sports injury clinics that maybe take the MCFC brand around the globe?

A match made in heaven considering Mubadala are in that business already
 
samharris said:
BillyShears said:
A question - apologies if someone's already asked it - but what sanctions exactly do the PL intend to impose if clubs fail to meet FFP ?

Just asked that question myself mate... im fooked if I know..

As GDM has said in his post ... whatever sanctions they try and implement (fines, points deductions, exclusion from the league) would just open them up to such enormous problems that it would quickly turn our league into a farce.
 
Re: Martin Samuel: The plot to shackle City & Chelsea

route46 said:
can anyone tell me why a team like wigan would vote for this????
they would always be fav to finish bottom eventually they would be relegated and would near enough find it impossible to return.
My take on it is whelan is a bedfellow of the reds of Trafford
 
BillyShears said:
samharris said:
BillyShears said:
A question - apologies if someone's already asked it - but what sanctions exactly do the PL intend to impose if clubs fail to meet FFP ?

Just asked that question myself mate... im fooked if I know..

As GDM has said in his post ... whatever sanctions they try and implement (fines, points deductions, exclusion from the league) would just open them up to such enormous problems that it would quickly turn our league into a farce.

Imagine the situation last season where almost the last kick of the last game decided the title, but only on goal difference (you lot might recall it?) and then the PL, headed by the usual suspects decide on City's FFPR qualifications.
 
st.helens-mcfc said:
If the rules are designed to ensure we don't see another Pompey financial crisis, maybe City/Chelski should ask that all clubs debts be repaid before a club is allowed to spend in the transfer market?

Let's see what the rags think if they cannot sign anyone for a few years ... and their shite club stagnates for a few years

This ^^

Anybody fancy putting together a well worded petition?
 

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