Martin Samuel: The plot to shackle City & Chelsea

[Anonymous]

Always nice to be proved right though ;-)

And taking defeat with good grace and a touch of humility is an admirable characteristic.

;-)

As special as I think I am, I'm not Mourinho!

 

[ifiwasarichfan]

And taking defeat with good grace and a touch of humility is an admirable characteristic.

;-)

As special as I think I am, I'm not Mourinho!

Someone said in this thread earlier or perhaps in the Mourinho v Mancini thread or one of the countless others where our present and future Manager's position has been discussed:

We may have found this offensive at the time but if Roberto Mancini had done that to Mike Phelan he would have been cherished and loved forever.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

;-)

As special as I think I am, I'm not Mourinho!

Someone said in this thread earlier or perhaps in the Mourinho v Mancini thread or one of the countless others where our present and future Manager's position has been discussed:

We may have found this offensive at the time but if Roberto Mancini had done that to Mike Phelan he would have been cherished and loved forever.

Mancini & Moyes? Personally I cringed but quite a few thought it was funny at the time.

 

[moomba]

;-)

As special as I think I am, I'm not Mourinho!

Someone said in this thread earlier or perhaps in the Mourinho v Mancini thread or one of the countless others where our present and future Manager's position has been discussed:

We may have found this offensive at the time but if Roberto Mancini had done that to Mike Phelan he would have been cherished and loved forever.

I would have been embarrassed.

If he stood in front of him and had a go that might have been OK, but a snide eye gouge is something that no-one should be proud of.

 

[Anonymous]

We may have found this offensive at the time but if Roberto Mancini had done that to Mike Phelan he would have been cherished and loved forever.

That was me mate ... :)

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

;-)

As special as I think I am, I'm not Mourinho!

Someone said in this thread earlier or perhaps in the Mourinho v Mancini thread or one of the countless others where our present and future Manager's position has been discussed:

We may have found this offensive at the time but if Roberto Mancini had done that to Mike Phelan he would have been cherished and loved forever.

I think Billy has posted previously that all leading managers (when comparing Mancini and Mourinho on another thread) are cut from the same cloth and to some extent that is true - that burning desire to win and being, on occasion, bad losers, are two of the characteristics that propel them to succeed in their field.

 

[ifiwasarichfan]

Not sure I agree on GDM's or maybe Billy's assertion about "sore loser". I feel this "Burning Desire" link between Jose and Roberto is complemented by (especially in Roberto's case) a really bad temper. Something that has never done him over the road in any harm. If we want an example of a sore loser I give you yesterdays man Dalglish and more recently Arsene.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Not sure I agree on GDM's or maybe Billy's assertion about "sore loser". I feel this "Burning Desire" link between Jose and Roberto is complemented by (especially in Roberto's case) a really bad temper. Something that has never done him over the road in any harm. If we want an example of a sore loser I give you yesterdays man Dalglish and more recently Arsene.

As you know I like Mancini, but there have been occasions where he's refused to shake Pulis' and Moyes' hand after the game. He didn't cover himself in glory in that regard with Hughes either come to think of it.

It's not the same as committing common assault, granted, but something that could readily be described as the actions of a bad loser.

 

[LoveCity]

This twat has one interest in mind no matter how he tries to spin it: Manchester United. Can't believe he's allowed to be second-in-command at the FA, it's a farce. The worrying thing is he has so much power and influence now that I can see him getting Premier League FFP passed.

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David Gill has further fanned the flames surrounding Financial Fair Play (FFP) by claiming Premier League clubs wanting to control player wages will have to sign up to UEFA's controversial initiative.

It was revealed on Tuesday that Gill's club Manchester United were part of a 'Gang of Four' - including Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs - who wanted the Premier League to implement the new rules that would require all clubs to break even.

Other clubs such as Sunderland are more keen on capping wage increases for players but Gill said that would be a "quid pro quo" with those clubs having to agree to financial fair play.

A smaller group of clubs - Chelsea, Manchester City, Fulham and West Brom - are opposed to any form of regulation but it looks likely that a compromise will be agreed at the next meeting on February 7 which would allow owners to cover a fixed amount of losses.

Gill said: "It's a debate - we're having a discussion on financial fair play. The impact of the new TV money has clearly focused the minds. Seven or eight clubs are going to have to abide by UEFA's regulations in any case.

"The league are working on this and will put a paper together to be discussed at the February meeting. Whatever's decided is dictated by 14 clubs.

"On wage cost protocol it's a quid pro quo. It depends what direction you come from. If they get that we will want the other. In my opinion it's a joint program, and the two things are linked."

Gill confirmed that he had suggested to other club chiefs the Premier League could use UEFA's systems to implement similar rules - but denied a report that he wanted the European body to administer the English rules too.

UEFA's regulations are being monitored by Jean-Luc Dehaene, the former Prime Minister of Belgium.

Gill added: "That was totally wrong. What I said was if we subscribed to the UEFA system we could use their computer systems and analysis on things like related party transactions but the control and the decisions will be made here.

"I wasn't saying 'give it to Mr Dehaene'. I was saying we could piggy back on their system."

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

This twat has one interest in mind no matter how he tries to spin it: Manchester United. Can't believe he's allowed to be second-in-command at the FA, it's a farce. The worrying thing is he has so much power and influence now that I can see him getting Premier League FFP passed.

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David Gill has further fanned the flames surrounding Financial Fair Play (FFP) by claiming Premier League clubs wanting to control player wages will have to sign up to UEFA's controversial initiative.

It was revealed on Tuesday that Gill's club Manchester United were part of a 'Gang of Four' - including Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs - who wanted the Premier League to implement the new rules that would require all clubs to break even.

Other clubs such as Sunderland are more keen on capping wage increases for players but Gill said that would be a "quid pro quo" with those clubs having to agree to financial fair play.

A smaller group of clubs - Chelsea, Manchester City, Fulham and West Brom - are opposed to any form of regulation but it looks likely that a compromise will be agreed at the next meeting on February 7 which would allow owners to cover a fixed amount of losses.

Gill said: "It's a debate - we're having a discussion on financial fair play. The impact of the new TV money has clearly focused the minds. Seven or eight clubs are going to have to abide by UEFA's regulations in any case.

"The league are working on this and will put a paper together to be discussed at the February meeting. Whatever's decided is dictated by 14 clubs.

"On wage cost protocol it's a quid pro quo. It depends what direction you come from. If they get that we will want the other. In my opinion it's a joint program, and the two things are linked."

Gill confirmed that he had suggested to other club chiefs the Premier League could use UEFA's systems to implement similar rules - but denied a report that he wanted the European body to administer the English rules too.

UEFA's regulations are being monitored by Jean-Luc Dehaene, the former Prime Minister of Belgium.

Gill added: "That was totally wrong. What I said was if we subscribed to the UEFA system we could use their computer systems and analysis on things like related party transactions but the control and the decisions will be made here.

"I wasn't saying 'give it to Mr Dehaene'. I was saying we could piggy back on their system."

He seems to be presenting some form of regulation as a fait accompli, which until there's an actual vote is a curious thing to do, unless he knows something we don't.

Lot of lobbying to be done yet, I'm sure of it.