Just about the strength of it. The system itself begins to implode very quickly and begins to assert the ideology by force, stifling dissent whenever it occurs and resorting to what would now appear, to be infantile iconology and a robust display of nationalist sentiment to sustain itself.gordondaviesmoustache said:My point is that every government who has embarked on the Marxist road, often with good intentions at the outset, has reverted to a despotic regime within a decade. The possible exception to this is Cuba, but even there, other forms of political ideology are suppressed; itself an act of political oppression. How many overtly right wing thinkers are there in Cuba?Damocles said:gordondaviesmoustache said:The latter is a natural consequence of the former I'm afraid, mate.
You can't change human nature.
Very much disagree. Marxism is a fantastic propaganda tool to be used by dictators because it tells people they are getting what is the most fair.
This isn't an implementation of Marxism any more than me deciding to pay an illegal immigrant worker to do the same job for cheaper is an implementation of Capitalism. Basically we have to separate between ideologies and people claiming to use that ideology. A slippery slope definitely but a necessary one.
Freedom of expression does not exist in these states, as Marxism is seen as the only solution and expressed as such through media and education.
What about people who are inveterate capitalists? Would their ideals be forever suppressed in a Marxist world? If so, it cannot be described as anything other than an affront to freedom of thought and expression.
gordondaviesmoustache said:What about people who are inveterate capitalists? Would their ideals be forever suppressed in a Marxist world? If so, it cannot be described as anything other than an affront to freedom of thought and expression.
The people are free from all oppression, they are self reliant and totally freeRascal said:gordondaviesmoustache said:What about people who are inveterate capitalists? Would their ideals be forever suppressed in a Marxist world? If so, it cannot be described as anything other than an affront to freedom of thought and expression.
You dont get Marx do you pal.
Once Marxism has completed all its stages, the final stage is one where material gain becomes irrelevant and personal freedom becomes optimal. At the final stage Government ceases to exist. The people are free from all oppression, they are self reliant and totally free.
By understanding the above you can see why Marx saw statist Socialism as the biggest danger to Communism as people become over reliant on the state and do not seek to move to the next level. The paradox is that Socialism is needed to begin with.
blue underpants said:The people are free from all oppression, they are self reliant and totally freeRascal said:gordondaviesmoustache said:What about people who are inveterate capitalists? Would their ideals be forever suppressed in a Marxist world? If so, it cannot be described as anything other than an affront to freedom of thought and expression.
You dont get Marx do you pal.
Once Marxism has completed all its stages, the final stage is one where material gain becomes irrelevant and personal freedom becomes optimal. At the final stage Government ceases to exist. The people are free from all oppression, they are self reliant and totally free.
By understanding the above you can see why Marx saw statist Socialism as the biggest danger to Communism as people become over reliant on the state and do not seek to move to the next level. The paradox is that Socialism is needed to begin with.
The following organisations tend to differ with your fanciful delusional ramblings
Cheka-GPU-OGPU
NKVD
NKGB
NKGB-MGB
KGB
A shot to the back of the neck with a Nagant Pistol is all the freedom from oppression you will get from these bastards
SWP's back said:Marxism is simply for those in the bottom two quantiles.
Yes I understand, but your rambling and talking claptrap againRascal said:blue underpants said:The people are free from all oppression, they are self reliant and totally freeRascal said:You dont get Marx do you pal.
Once Marxism has completed all its stages, the final stage is one where material gain becomes irrelevant and personal freedom becomes optimal. At the final stage Government ceases to exist. The people are free from all oppression, they are self reliant and totally free.
By understanding the above you can see why Marx saw statist Socialism as the biggest danger to Communism as people become over reliant on the state and do not seek to move to the next level. The paradox is that Socialism is needed to begin with.
The following organisations tend to differ with your fanciful delusional ramblings
Cheka-GPU-OGPU
NKVD
NKGB
NKGB-MGB
KGB
A shot to the back of the neck with a Nagant Pistol is all the freedom from oppression you will get from these bastards
What they have to do with Marxism is absolutly nothing.
You plainly do not understand what Marxism is as you are banging on about a Totalitarian dictatorship. Marxism is democratic....democratic.
The Soviet Union, North Korea, Cuba etc etc etc are not Marxist. The UK is more marxist than any of those states and i will tell you why....Because like Marxism, the UK is Democratic.
Do you understand?