Marxism

[Rascal]

It's all very nice in theory, but that's what it is and will always be because it is unworkable

It's a pity it's attracted some of the cruellest and most despotic people in the history of mankind, whilst I take the point that they were not "True Marxists" they certainley marched under the banner of it.

Countless millions have died because of it, lets not forget that, from the purges of Stalinist Russia tot eh Killing Fields of Cambodia

They made good target practice for my Dads Lee Enfield rifle in Korea, he shot loads of the fuckers, said it was like putting diseased dogs down

They were not Marxists.

I have explained why Stalinism is the antithesis of Marxism. Its not difficult lads.

 

[scotty123]

It's all very nice in theory, but that's what it is and will always be because it is unworkable

It's a pity it's attracted some of the cruellest and most despotic people in the history of mankind, whilst I take the point that they were not "True Marxists" they certainley marched under the banner of it.

Countless millions have died because of it, lets not forget that, from the purges of Stalinist Russia tot eh Killing Fields of Cambodia

They made good target practice for my Dads Lee Enfield rifle in Korea, he shot loads of the fuckers, said it was like putting diseased dogs down

They were not Marxists.

I have explained why Stalinism is the antithesis of Marxism. Its not difficult lads.

They all pissed in the same pot, no matter how you try to dress it

 

[kinkysleftfoot]

I agree with that post GDM, but let's say Capitalism is unfair to a lot of people, and so would Socialism/Communism, such diverse we are as people and what we value. If I had to pick, I would be inclined to the left, but the centre it seems is the happy medium. Well, not happy, the miserable medium say.

Capitalism is the fairest way.

The hard working and gifted can work their way up.

The work shy and mundane won't.

Seems about right to me!

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Yeah....no poor, hard working people in the world, eh?! You know, other than the BILLIONS outside of the supposedly First World kleptocracies, of course!

WTF kind of "intellect" believes that "capitalist" shit? Show me the people at the top who pulled themselves up by the bootstraps and I will show you 10 silver spoons for every last one of them....and I won't have to go looking for them, either!

Are there some boots trappers at the top? Absolutely! But to suggest that the game is not rigged is farcical!

 

[101toMR]

Marxism should be placed in the "Not in my lifetime or anyone elses" category of useless things to discuss whilst pontificating over a glass of wine and a peasant lunch.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Marxism should be placed in the "Not in my lifetime or anyone elses" category of useless things to discuss whilst pontificating over a glass of wine and a pheasant lunch.

Corrected.

 

[101toMR]

Marxism should be placed in the "Not in my lifetime or anyone elses" category of useless things to discuss whilst pontificating over a glass of wine and a pheasant lunch.

Corrected.

That works too m8 ;-)

 

[whp.blue]

The problem with the teachings of Marx is that so few actually understand them and quickly confuse what they actually are with totalitarianist Soviet


Marxism is democrat.

Actually that's Bollocks Marx was committed to revolution what is democratic about that?
Also Marxism was based on a totally false premiss

"He was wrong to predict that history would take us to the inevitable triumph of the proletariat and then stop. History shows no signs of doing either. Marx was also wrong to suggest that this would happen first in the most advanced economies as the final stage of capitalism. In fact such revolutions as came took place in less developed economies such as Russia and China. It has not happened in the advanced economies, and this could be because Marx was wrong about something else.

He predicted that capitalism would drive down wages to survival level before its final denouement. In fact as economies became more advanced, both wages and living standards rose to levels not even dreamt of in Marx’s day, and this seems to have lowered the pressure for revolutionary change.

Marx was also wrong about something more fundamental. He was wrong about change. I don’t just mean that he was wrong about the changes that would come about; more fundamentally he was wrong about how change takes place. He took the Hegelian model of change.

To Hegel change comes about through staccato triangles. A state of affairs nurtures its opposite, and from the violent clash between the two a new state of affairs emerges. Thesis, Antithesis and Synthesis. Violence is at the core of it, and hence Marx’s commitment to revolution."

As someone once said about Marxism

"Any man who has not become a Marxist by the time he is 20 doesn't have a Heart. If he is still a Marxist at the age of 40, he doesn't have a Brain!!"

For me that sums up this ludicrous doctrine perfectly sounds good but just cannot ever be made to work in the real world,

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Yeah....no poor, hard working people in the world, eh?! You know, other than the BILLIONS outside of the supposedly First World kleptocracies, of course!

WTF kind of "intellect" believes that "capitalist" shit? Show me the people at the top who pulled themselves up by the bootstraps and I will show you 10 silver spoons for every last one of them....and I won't have to go looking for them, either!

Are there some boots trappers at the top? Absolutely! But to suggest that the game is not rigged is farcical!

Bullshit.
There are plenty of self made billionaires, tell us how Alan Sugar became one. Anwar Pervez, brought up in poverty, Charlie Mullins, left school at 15, now a billionaire after an apprentice plumber background. There are many more in Britain alone, there will be dozens in your country, your silver spoon analogy may indeed include inherited wealth, but as an example of capitalism only making the privileged few rich, it is envy ridden nonsense.

 

[SWP's back]

Yeah....no poor, hard working people in the world, eh?! You know, other than the BILLIONS outside of the supposedly First World kleptocracies, of course!

WTF kind of "intellect" believes that "capitalist" shit? Show me the people at the top who pulled themselves up by the bootstraps and I will show you 10 silver spoons for every last one of them....and I won't have to go looking for them, either!

Are there some boots trappers at the top? Absolutely! But to suggest that the game is not rigged is farcical!

Work hard or work smart. Choice is the individuals.