I agree broadly with your political point but there are stiil some brilliant pubs in the NQ where the beer prices are ok such as the Lower Turk's Head, the Hare and Hounds, Wheatsheaf, Millstone, the English Lounge, etc etc. There are also lots of cross-over pubs were young and old alike mix. I have always done most of my drinking in Town and the buzz in Manchester city-centre has never been better in my view. I realise it is not the same in outlying areas because these days I am living in Lancashire so I see the other side of the coin as well.