Matt Le Tissier

[I'm With Stupid]

I have a few around my sphere of influence but they will not be influenced, every simple little thing is a conspiracy theory.

But to be fair there are completely outwardly sane reasonable people who follow political narratives even if inside they know it's screamingly wrong, it's hard to tell who is worse.

I think it's easier to take someone seriously when they have one controversial opinion that goes against the grain. Even more so when they're actually trained in the field they're talking about. Andrew Wakefield saying that a particular vaccine may cause autism is something to take seriously even though it later turned out to be wrong. Individual academics get things wrong all the time (whole fields get things wrong far less often, despite what conspiracy theorists would have you believe). But the issue with conspiracy theorists is that they always seem to believe all of them.

The anti-vaxx movement is the most obvious for me, because I've literally seen it evolve in front of my eyes. What started as a concern about a link between autism and a single vaccine morphed into Bill Gates controlling you with microchips, and an opposition to any and all vaccines, including ones with decades of provable results.

Le Tissier is a typical example. He presumably started out with one belief about one issue, but now he's anti-PPE, anti-vaxx, thinks events in the the Ukraine war are a hoax, thinks covid victims are actors, thinks 9/11 wasn't a terrorist attack, etc, etc, etc. Clearly just been down the thick people rabbit hole on Twitter. I know absolutely nothing about his views on climate change, for example, but I'm willing to put everything I own on him being a denier.

 

[SWP's back]

and here you are.

again.

And yet it was you accusing others of needing the last word. Hoisted by your own petard.

 

[calumdown]

blimey.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

I think it's easier to take someone seriously when they have one controversial opinion that goes against the grain. Even more so when they're actually trained in the field they're talking about. Andrew Wakefield saying that a particular vaccine may cause autism is something to take seriously even though it later turned out to be wrong. Individual academics get things wrong all the time (whole fields get things wrong far less often, despite what conspiracy theorists would have you believe). But the issue with conspiracy theorists is that they always seem to believe all of them.

The anti-vaxx movement is the most obvious for me, because I've literally seen it evolve in front of my eyes. What started as a concern about a link between autism and a single vaccine morphed into Bill Gates controlling you with microchips, and an opposition to any and all vaccines, including ones with decades of provable results.

Le Tissier is a typical example. He presumably started out with one belief about one issue, but now he's anti-PPE, anti-vaxx, thinks events in the the Ukraine war are a hoax, thinks covid victims are actors, thinks 9/11 wasn't a terrorist attack, etc, etc, etc. Clearly just been down the thick people rabbit hole on Twitter. I know absolutely nothing about his views on climate change, for example, but I'm willing to put everything I own on him being a denier.

Conspiracy theories used to be a lot more fun as well. What happened to stuff like aliens and JFK?

 

[mexico1970]

Conspiracy theories used to be a lot more fun as well. What happened to stuff like aliens and JFK?

This man is an absolute legend :)

 

[BlueHammer85]

Conspiracy theories used to be a lot more fun as well. What happened to stuff like aliens and JFK?

Agree! used to be more fun and intellectual before social media, now we get a tidal wave of clueless fucks like Le Tissier linking anything and everything to conspiracy theories.

 

[Crooked_rain]

I think it's easier to take someone seriously when they have one controversial opinion that goes against the grain. Even more so when they're actually trained in the field they're talking about. Andrew Wakefield saying that a particular vaccine may cause autism is something to take seriously even though it later turned out to be wrong. Individual academics get things wrong all the time (whole fields get things wrong far less often, despite what conspiracy theorists would have you believe). But the issue with conspiracy theorists is that they always seem to believe all of them.

The anti-vaxx movement is the most obvious for me, because I've literally seen it evolve in front of my eyes. What started as a concern about a link between autism and a single vaccine morphed into Bill Gates controlling you with microchips, and an opposition to any and all vaccines, including ones with decades of provable results.

Le Tissier is a typical example. He presumably started out with one belief about one issue, but now he's anti-PPE, anti-vaxx, thinks events in the the Ukraine war are a hoax, thinks covid victims are actors, thinks 9/11 wasn't a terrorist attack, etc, etc, etc. Clearly just been down the thick people rabbit hole on Twitter. I know absolutely nothing about his views on climate change, for example, but I'm willing to put everything I own on him being a denier.

I think it's easier to take someone seriously when they have one controversial opinion that goes against the grain. Even more so when they're actually trained in the field they're talking about. Andrew Wakefield saying that a particular vaccine may cause autism is something to take seriously even though it later turned out to be wrong. Individual academics get things wrong all the time (whole fields get things wrong far less often, despite what conspiracy theorists would have you believe). But the issue with conspiracy theorists is that they always seem to believe all of them.

The anti-vaxx movement is the most obvious for me, because I've literally seen it evolve in front of my eyes. What started as a concern about a link between autism and a single vaccine morphed into Bill Gates controlling you with microchips, and an opposition to any and all vaccines, including ones with decades of provable results.

Le Tissier is a typical example. He presumably started out with one belief about one issue, but now he's anti-PPE, anti-vaxx, thinks events in the the Ukraine war are a hoax, thinks covid victims are actors, thinks 9/11 wasn't a terrorist attack, etc, etc, etc. Clearly just been down the thick people rabbit hole on Twitter. I know absolutely nothing about his views on climate change, for example, but I'm willing to put everything I own on him being a denier.

Fair points

I will add there's nothing wrong with questioning things. Things like COVID vaccines, nobody at the time could really say for sure of long term effects because there's no proof either way, and it was rushed in comparison to vaccines in general

But there's questioning things and there's automatically aligning yourself with any conspiracy regarding government control and thats where it gets daft because you're no longer thinkinh critically or objectively and you've just signed up to a school of thought that applies to any kind of conspiracy and that's pretty much where Le Tissier is now

Everything should be questioned but people think they already know the answer and don't even bother to work backwards through the questions

 

[BlueHammer85]

Imagine listening to Le Tissier for vaccine advice over a qualified doctor !

 

[ballbag]

"Do your own research while we share this absolute clusterfuck of misinformation that someone else researched for us and we are just blindly following it without any verification".

Clever as fuck that bunch.

 

[GornikDaze]

Imagine listening to Le Tissier for vaccine advice over a qualified doctor !

Compared to some in the various Covid threads, he’s actually quite intelligent!

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Imagine listening to Le Tissier for vaccine advice over a qualified doctor !

Yet here we are on page 21 of people throbbing and twitching about him. Le Tiss seems like a nice bloke and if you want to know about Southampton in the 90s or day to day life in the channel islands I'm sure he's worth a listen.
Getting upset about his views on vaccines, COVID, Ukraine etc is like being annoyed that your family gp doesn't know how to service your car.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

Yet here we are on page 21 of people throbbing and twitching about him. Le Tiss seems like a nice bloke and if you want to know about Southampton in the 90s of day to day life in the channel islands I'm sure he's worth a listen.
Getting upset about his views on vaccines, COVID, Ukraine etc is like being annoyed that your family gp doesn't know how to service your car.

I couldn’t give two fucks about Southampton in the 90s, or any other period of time and space.

I doubt people in Southampton give a fuck about Southampton.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

“Getting upset about his views on vaccines, COVID, Ukraine etc is like being annoyed that your family gp doesn't know how to service your car.”

It isn’t this. It’s the astonishment that some people think that their GP knows how to service a car better than their actual mechanic and will die on that hill, however you debate with them.

Then the “devil’s advocate” guy comes on to antagonise the rhetoric.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

“Getting upset about his views on vaccines, COVID, Ukraine etc is like being annoyed that your family gp doesn't know how to service your car.”

It isn’t this. It’s the astonishment that some people think that their GP knows how to service a car than their actual mechanic and will die in that hill, however you debate with them.

Then the “devil’s advocate” guy comes on to antagonise the rhetoric.

I honestly don't know why some people get annoyed that some other people believe conspiracy theories espoused by a retired 90s footballer? Hard to tell which are the biggest loons.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I honestly don't know why some people get annoyed that some other people believe conspiracy theories espoused by a retired 90s footballer? Hard to tell which are the biggest loons.

It still isn’t about that. It’s the astonishment that people will be taken in by such “free thinkers” and will debate vehemently with flawed logic.

Not sure many people give a shit about MLT personally. They just don’t like him trying to spread disinformation.

 

[BlueHammer85]

I honestly don't know why some people get annoyed that some other people believe conspiracy theories espoused by a retired 90s footballer? Hard to tell which are the biggest loons.

I get annoyed at anyone telling others dangerous misinformation that can have severe and harmful consequences.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

"Do your own research while we share this absolute clusterfuck of misinformation that someone else researched for us and we are just blindly following it without any verification".

Clever as fuck that bunch.

I don’t want to do my own research. Why could I possibly know about researching vaccines? I want scientists to do it.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

It still isn’t about that. It’s the astonishment that people will be taken in by such “free thinkers” and will debate vehemently with flawed logic.

Not sure many people give a shit about MLT personally. They just don’t like him trying to spread disinformation.

I get annoyed at anyone telling others dangerous misinformation that can have severe and harmful consequences.

I'm not sure normal people are either taken in or even arsed tbh. I can't see anything here to be upset about unless it's a pathological need to be 'right' and have everyone think the same as you do?
Organised religion as an example spreads misinformation on a grand scale and we managed to rub along without being particularly arsed. The COVID vaccine is pretty much receding into history, and I don't understand why le Tiss having some 'niche' viewpoint on it is anymore concerning than a newsreader not sharing your favourite colour.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I don't understand why le Tiss having some 'niche' viewpoint on it is anymore concerning than a newsreader not sharing your favourite colour.

When you work out the answer to that, you might get somewhere.

Until then, enjoy your both siding to bait the rhetoric.

AHT out.

 

[thegoatsthegoat]

I honestly don't know why some people get annoyed that some other people believe conspiracy theories espoused by a retired 90s footballer? Hard to tell which are the biggest loons.

The bigger loons are the "experts" (retired footballers) spreading fake news and misinformation freely and the further loons then trust that man over actual experts. It is a scary world we live in.

To try and bring it closer to home, it is like every other football fan now being a lawyer and legal expert when it comes to our case, off the back of a load of misinformation or lack of intelligence to begin with.