Is it all to do with keeping our place at the top table of the UN security council? I agree its a vanity project and we need to get used to the fact that the sun has long since set on the empire. Still, trident does keep some miserable jocks off the smack and in employment though :-)We do. We don't need it. It's bullshit posturing when we can't afford to look after our sick or invest in infrastructure.
Total utter pouncing about trying to look hard in a club we can't afford to be in.
Nobody will come for us ahead of the polish, Germans, Dutch, Italians .....
Is it all to do with keeping our place at the top table of the UN security council? I agree its a vanity project and we need to get used to the fact that the sun has long since set on the empire. Still, trident does keep some miserable jocks off the smack and in employment though :-)
Honestly don't know. I think it all started with the post ww2 scramble for a nuke to give us global status as a 'player' alongside the us.Shut up you cheeky **** :)
It's a total waste of money. We are a great island race, we are just not imperial anymore and I'm cool with that. If we gave up the redundant dildos do we lose our seat on the security council?
Even if we did, who gives a fuck?
As the old saying gies.
What has the security council ever done for us? :)
Honestly don't know. I think it all started with the post ww2 scramble for a nuke to give us global status as a 'player' alongside the us.
It's an interesting point that we agree that the Captain and his merry band can independently fire the nukes (in certain circumstances; loss of command, no more shipping forcast or radio 4) but differ on the Prime Ministers ability to independently fire them.Yes he can but my understanding is that he only opens that letter if contact with his chain of command is lost.
It was to do with that. There was a fascinating documentary about it a while ago. Macmillan was desperate to get access to US technology to ensure we retained a seat on the security council as we'd fucked up developing our own delivery mechanism and the Americans abandoned their own sky-launched stand-off. They negotiated the Nassau Agreement to take Polaris but the Americans extracted a high price. The main prize was the Holy Loch base, which scared the shit out of the UK government as it was so close to Glasgow and the Clyde but they had no choice.Is it all to do with keeping our place at the top table of the UN security council? I agree its a vanity project and we need to get used to the fact that the sun has long since set on the empire. Still, trident does keep some miserable jocks off the smack and in employment though :-)
See my post below yours. The PM would be able to act independently in the same circumstances as the Captain, when contact had been lost with the US President or Joint Chiefs of Staff.It's an interesting point that we agree that the Captain and his merry band can independently fire the nukes (in certain circumstances; loss of command, no more shipping forcast or radio 4) but differ on the Prime Ministers ability to independently fire them.
See my post below yours. The PM would be able to act independently in the same circumstances as the Captain, when contact had been lost with the US President or Joint Chiefs of Staff.
Ahhh The penny drops, we have been talking different things. Your man was talking in relation to an attack on NATO itself. Whereby the nukes come under NATO command and control (but still need the PM's permission to fire)See my post below yours. The PM would be able to act independently in the same circumstances as the Captain, when contact had been lost with the US President or Joint Chiefs of Staff.
Will believe that when I see it.
Who would we want to fire it at? Is Russia going to invade us? Us it worth ending the world over Ukraine? If China build a couple of islands will we threaten to bomb them?
They are pointless. A strong conventional armed forces and spooks able to find and kill those who want to kill us.
That's money well spent. Not oversized dildos sitting in a sub never to be used but just driven about endlessly until they are obsolete then it will be an even better kill ratio one to keep us safe.
You wonder how citizens outwith the ten or so nations who have nukes sleep at night. I don't see them demonstrating to be allowed to have them. They must issue Calpol andNight Nurse to every citizen to take the edge off the terror.
At total con to make us feel important.