Media bias against City

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Exeter Blue I am here said:
I will accept that the Sterling situation was born more out of him wanting to leave one of the media's holy cows, than because he wanted to join City, although I would argue that once it became obvious that the Etihad was his preferred destination, it fanned the flames further. It was certainly convenient for the Scouse media mafia, as it enabled them to focus almost entirely upon the player's greed and City's millions as the cause of the problem, rather than (God forbid) training any negative light on Liverpool and their growing irrelevance as a force at the top end of the English game.

You are also correct in your assertion that City's conduct was a distant second to the player's behaviour when it came to primary media scrutiny. However, we were far from ignored on that score, and I remember that cnut Jason McAteer claiming - without one iota of evidence - on Coco the Clown's show on Talkshite, that we had orchestrated Sterling's sick absence. Unsurprisingly this libellous statement was allowed to stand unchallenged. Then there is also the cumulative effect of all the criticism, all the bullshit polls, all the one-sided debates, etc, etc. As a case in point I have just finished watching Arsenal vs Wolfsburg on BT Sport, a game in which Kevin De Bruyne was booed throughout courtesy of his mere association with us. If you think this would have happened to say Sergio Ramos, who has been strongly linked to a move to the Swamp, had Sterling joined the rags rather than City, then I fear you are beyond help.

With regard the other issues you mention, there were plenty of journalists who managed to even put a negative spin on the Academy opening - those rag cockroaches Jamie Jackson and Mark Ogden for example, whose sneering focus was on the odds of it ever producing anyone for the City first team. And whilst, as you say, Pellers certainly deserves more praise for his treatment of referees, the reality is that on the one occasion he openly (and correctly) criticised an official - that idiot from Sweden, who gave Barcelona every decision at the Etihad 2 years ago - he was savaged in the media, with Alyson Rudd of the Times going on television to incredibly declare it the 'worst thing any manager has ever said'.
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Firstly thanks for the response. In regard your first paragraph without question it suited Liverpool that it hid their own failings as a club as by signing for us it was easy to claim the player moved for only financial motives. Definitely signing for City fanned the flames of hatred amongst the Liverpool support. I honestly think the fall out would have been worse if he had gone to United. For historical reasons of the rivalry and the ex-players response would have gone into overdrive. But that is only an opinion as we will never really know. I don think you can compare the Sterling transfer and Ramos transfers in the same context though.

Are you sure De Bruyne was booed due to his association with us or the fact he previously played for Chelsea? I would suggest the latter in all honesty. In relation to the academy, without checking It would not surprise me if the likes of Ogden put a negative spin on the academy opening. Throughout this debate I have never argued there are not some within the press who use their columns to put us down and he would be one I would be tempted to list.

I am not aware of the Alyson Rudd quote but have already shared my view I think he deserves more credit and the club as a whole for the way it conducts itself. Just out of interest who conducted this Sterling/Delph poll?
 
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Exeter Blue I am here said:
Pellers certainly deserves more praise for his treatment of referees, the reality is that on the one occasion he openly (and correctly) criticised an official - that idiot from Sweden, who gave Barcelona every decision at the Etihad 2 years ago - he was savaged in the media, with Alyson Rudd of the Times going on television to incredibly declare it the 'worst thing any manager has ever said'.
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I remember that. What a fucking clown she was/is.
 
I think it would have been more balanced and fair if they'd have asked the opinion of, say, Gary Owen or Dennis Tueart as well as a drip fed procession of ex Liverpool players.
Ric was contacted but it seems that they weren't keen on his positive outlook.
 
Frank, we can find light in any article, just as you are doing but, I suggest you pick any tabloid and look at the back articles and their comments from other readers to get a firsthand feel for the current tone that we are seeing. Just a month of back articles is enough to influence your next position.

Even if an article is just factual with little opinion added, read the nasty comments that just regurgitate a previous negative article.
 
2sheikhs said:
I think it would have been more balanced and fair if they'd have asked the opinion of, say, Gary Owen or Dennis Tueart as well as a drip fed procession of ex Liverpool players.
Ric was contacted but it seems that they weren't keen on his positive outlook.
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I think a number of people did suggest it was a good move for him also playing Champs League football etc. The point you mate about Mancini in he stands I completely agree with. Indefensible. I cannot believe it was made up though as that was something what would always be easy to disprove. Just poor investigative work.
 
franksinatra said:
I think a number of people did suggest it was a good move for him also playing Champs League football etc. The point you mate about Mancini in he stands I completely agree with. Indefensible. I cannot believe it was made up though as that was something what would always be easy to disprove. Just poor investigative work.
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Please link me an article from the DM for example were it was positive for champs league and to balance it, please note the opposite e.g from ex Liverpool players.
 
bluesoup said:
Frank, we can find light in any article, just as you are doing but, I suggest you pick any tabloid and look at the back articles and their comments from other readers to get a firsthand feel for the current tone that we are seeing. Just a month of back articles is enough to influence your next position.

Even if an article is just factual with little opinion added, read the nasty comments that just regurgitate a previous negative article.
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Yes I have seen the negative comments mate. Again I do not know if its the media/trolling age we live in, the fact we are now the most successful club in the country or as a consequence of the media influencing people like you probably think. I really do not know the answer pal.
 
And I think you also concured with me that having Scholes and Keane as match pundits with a rag commentator to boot would not be acceptable to another club.


We're getting there...... it's taking a while...... but we're getting there!!
:)
 
2sheikhs said:
And I think you also concured with me that having Scholes and Keane as match pundits with a rag commentator to boot would not be acceptable to another club.


We're getting there...... it's taking a while...... but we're getting there!!
:)
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Incidentally mate, and you will find this hard to believe I did raise the question of our treatment in the media with Vicky Kloss at a Bredbury Supporters club meeting 5/6 years ago. So I did see negative coverage particularly at that time. Needless to say I asked another question later on which got a few groans, which I guess is similar is similar to the response to the majority of my posts.
 
franksinatra said:
Firstly thanks for the response. In regard your first paragraph without question it suited Liverpool that it hid their own failings as a club as by signing for us it was easy to claim the player moved for only financial motives. Definitely signing for City fanned the flames of hatred amongst the Liverpool support. I honestly think the fall out would have been worse if he had gone to United. For historical reasons of the rivalry and the ex-players response would have gone into overdrive. But that is only an opinion as we will never really know. I don think you can compare the Sterling transfer and Ramos transfers in the same context though.

Are you sure De Bruyne was booed due to his association with us or the fact he previously played for Chelsea? I would suggest the latter in all honesty. In relation to the academy, without checking It would not surprise me if the likes of Ogden put a negative spin on the academy opening. Throughout this debate I have never argued there are not some within the press who use their columns to put us down and he would be one I would be tempted to list.

I am not aware of the Alyson Rudd quote but have already shared my view I think he deserves more credit and the club as a whole for the way it conducts itself. Just out of interest who conducted this Sterling/Delph poll?
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1. I wasn't comparing Sterling to Ramos, I was comparing Ramos to De Bruyne, or more specifically I was hypothetically comparing the reception Ramos might have gotten had Sterling joined the rags rather than City, and Madrid (as opposed to Wolfsburg) had then played Arsenal today.
2. As stated already, the suggestion that Sterling would have gotten worse stick if he'd joined the rags is a disingenuous one, as there is already historical enmity between the two clubs. By contrast there was no real pre-existing hatred between Liverpool and City, so you cannot use United as an effective yardstick. The media reception had Sterling joined Arsenal might have made for a better argument, but I think you know full well the player would not have been pilloried to anywhere near the same degree, which is why you opted for the United comparison.
3. You reckon De Bruyne was booed because he once played 3 games for Chelsea? You're either wumming or you need professional help!
 
Point 2. I suppose there is not an actual yardstick as you are quite right it is likely the enmity between the clubs is worse but similarly I would say Liverpool fans have a greater dislike for ourselves than Arsenal.

Point 3. Apparently, according to a poster on an Arsenal forum, Schurrle got booed as well with the poster stating 'those players should be applauded for leaving Chelsea not booed'. Maybe he also is wumming and needs professional help.
 
Frank, I find it inconceivable that someone that only reads the "Indie" should be able to dredge up a quote from April in the "Express". So you are being disingenuous, your reading material must be a lot broader than you profess.
I look forward to your Pauline conversion because we are not all in the wrong.
 
silverback said:
Frank, I find it inconceivable that someone that only reads the "Indie" should be able to dredge up a quote from April in the "Express". So you are being disingenuous, your reading material must be a lot broader than you profess.
I look forward to your Pauline conversion because we are not all in the wrong.
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Hi Silverback,
Google search is a wonderful thing and I was actually looking up the articles about 'City to sign Chelsea flop De Bruyne' some posters had alluded to when it cropped up. I do see articles from other papers through the internet but never openly buy them. I think I did mislead earlier but clarified it later on to 2shieks.

It is true many people disagree with my opinion. It is probably the reason I enjoy debating it (when the debate is good-natured) as it challenges my own perspective.
 
Here is your challenge then Frank, (should you choose to accept it), keep an eye on just the back page headlines. You don't have to buy the papers. Just have a quick glance at them in the petrol station. Also, check out the BBC text after the matches and see if you can spot a different slant to how ours and the rags games are summarised.
See what's said on the first soccer Saturday of the premier campaign.
I won't tell you to listen to talkshite. That'd be too cruel. (plus you'd end up buying van insurance even though you probably don't own one)
 
2sheikhs said:
Here is your challenge then Frank, (should you choose to accept it), keep an eye on just the back page headlines. You don't have to buy the papers. Just have a quick glance at them in the petrol station. Also, check out the BBC text after the matches and see if you can spot a different slant to how ours and the rags games are summarised.
See what's said on the first soccer Saturday of the premier campaign.
I won't tell you to listen to talkshite. That'd be too cruel. (plus you'd end up buying van insurance even though you probably don't own one)
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I am happy with the challenge 2shieks. I will give it a proper go.
 
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