Media Discussion - 2023/24

[waspish]

Akanji was offside, rashford was offside. We all used to just know that. PGMOL and tribalism have created a microscopic viewpoint of every little action, every foot, arm, flick off the fingers, what the hell ever.

Take a step back PGMOL, we all know they were both offside, stop using a microscope to look at the moon.

Yep! The people in var should watch the replays in normal play speed and take there first impression on the indecent! Mine go the one at the swamp was interfering with play offside first impression of the Akanji one was offside interfering with play! Now if watching it your first instinct is am not sure then you look at all angles slow down!

 

[StillBluessinceHydeRoad]

I just love the number of people who try to sort out a clear cut, factual decision by beginning their piece with "In my opinion...!

 

[Blue Pete]

I just love the number of people who try to sort out a clear cut, factual decision by beginning their piece with "In my opinion...!

As the last person to post who began with 'In my opinion..' I would point out certain rules in football are open to opinion, was a player in an offside position is a yes or no (factual) was he interfering with play is subjective so 'In my opinion' is the only correct response.

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

I just love the number of people who try to sort out a clear cut, factual decision by beginning their piece with "In my opinion...!

Most of them are PiGMOL employees

 

[Chris in London]

It seems to me, and did after the Rashford instance, that the goals stood because the "clearly impacts" was being interpreted as a physical block to get to the ball.

Both goals were aided by the goalkeeper being impacted in a mental manner - no Rashford, and Ederson clears it; no Akanji and the keeper doesn't hesitate.

As you say, it's the same argument IMO for both instances. None or both are the options.

I don’t agree with that. With Rashford there was no argument. The ball was within playing distance and was under his control in the same way it is when a defender used his body to shepherd a ball out of play for a goal kick.

With Akanje, there are three players directly between Leno and the ball - Rodri (who was in an onside position) and two defenders. Leno’s hesitation can be attributed to a number of things, for instance thinking the ball was going wide (a la De Gea in the cup final) Or just having his vision blocked. The referee decided that Alanji was not interfering with play and the interesting thing about Webb’s program is that the audio feed suggests the VAR team were split. Since VAR is there to correct clear and obvious errors, which this wasn’t, I don’t see how the goal could be overruled within the laws of the game.

Both gave rise to a question of offside.
Rashfords should have been overruled because Attwell’s error was clear and obvious. Oliver’s wasn’t.

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

I don’t agree with that. With Rashford there was no argument. The ball was within playing distance and was under his control in the same way it is when a defender used his body to shepherd a ball out of play for a goal kick.

With Akanje, there are three players directly between Leno and the ball - Rodri (who was in an onside position) and two defenders. Leno’s hesitation can be attributed to a number of things, for instance thinking the ball was going wide (a la De Gea in the cup final) Or just having his vision blocked. The referee decided that Alanji was not interfering with play and the interesting thing about Webb’s program is that the audio feed suggests the VAR team were split. Since VAR is there to correct clear and obvious errors, which this wasn’t, I don’t see how the goal could be overruled within the laws of the game.

Both gave rise to a question of offside.
Rashfords should have been overruled because Attwell’s error was clear and obvious. Oliver’s wasn’t.

Good post , but I question the use of " error " regarding Attwell's decision , on a factual basis that is :)

 

[wolfie1988]

well the akanji outrage has swept the wolves non penalty off radar job done pat on back for webb

It hasn't. They were both covered in the show and both were said to be wrong by Webb.

 

[Chris in London]

Good post , but I question the use of " error " regarding Attwell's decision , on a factual basis that is :)

I accept the question of interference with play is subjective, yet there are still some opinions that are so utterly unreasonable as to amount to errors. Attwell’s decision that by running 20 metres with the ball within playing distance and feinting to shoot Rashford was not interfering with play is such a decision.

 

[Asa's left peg]

Webb has made 2 mistakes. One is, re trying a decision made in the moment of the game in which an obvious error has not occurred, and is in fact is what VAR isn't supposed to do with referees decisions during a game and the other is not backing his officials. He can't referee post game on every fixture unless there is an obvious error.
The comparison with Rashford's incident is a little disingenuous. Rashford moved towards the ball and shielded it - Manu tried to avoid it. If you think Manu touched it - fair enough - offside. I was fortunate / unfortunate to have watched the game on TV and VAR replayed the frames of the ball passing Manu's feet 4/5 times and couldn't see any contact. They weren't interested in line of sight.
I'm sick of this shit. He's making it worse not better.

 

[StillBluessinceHydeRoad]

As the last person to post who began with 'In my opinion..' I would point out certain rules in football are open to opinion, was a player in an offside position is a yes or no (factual) was he interfering with play is subjective so 'In my opinion' is the only correct response.

I agree - they're all matters of opinion!