Media discussion - 2024/25

This has been my stance throughout. It's not that I don't care necessarily, its that it won't drastically affect me if they relegate us to semi-pro to be honest. The vast majority of my life, City have been bouncing between wank, depressing and an embarrassment. I started supporting them under those conditions, living down the road from the country's most dominating, successful and celebrated club in their most dominant, successful and celebrated era. The idea that results or success define my support and passion for City in any way is not reflective of how City are perceived in my life.

One of the reason I always give time to help out City projects such as Bluemoon or the others is because City supporters, to me, were a surrogate family. Me and my old man didn't really get on much growing up as we're different people but going to Maine Road with him and the lads was our shared connection. When I became around 11 or so, I started going on my own when he was working away, jumping on the bus and trying to jib in or whatever and my Dad used to quietly ask the lads he knew were going to keep one eye on me and make sure I was alright, and they did. They sneaked me in, gave me their programmes for my collection and even bought me a cheeky half pint once in a while. As I grew up surrounded by United fans my own age, it could be a lonely time when we were getting battered and they were stomping teams, so these older lads used to tell me stories of the 60s and 70s, about how it wasn't always like this and it seemed almost mythical. It's one of the reasons why Kinkladze was such a big player to me - Paul Lake was my hero growing up because my name is also Paul and he was a City fan and when you're a kid, these things matter to you. But Kinkladze was someone who harked back to an era where football was exciting to watch and City had a mercurial talent. Even my Dad's mates were raving about him like they raved about Bell or Lee. That connection from them being young lads who wanted to watch their heroes but now suffering and seeing a young lad adopt a new silky hero made them feel young and positive.

Now I have my own young family and family members who I pass my experiences on to. It's not what those lads did for me - telling me that better days would come again, now it's more like trying to show them perspective that in the grand scheme of things the results don't really matter so not to flip out every time we draw because all they've seen is success. It's my generation's job to look out for young lads now and grass them up to their Dad for ballooning around. And one day it will be their job because ultimately we all look out for each other, that is always what has made City great to me. When you pass someone in the street with a City shirt on and you share that little nod of respect. Because they're "one of us" for lack of a better term. I could meet my worst enemy in a pub but if they were a City fan then we have a shared heritage and a common point of interest to have a chat and a laugh about. Stories from Maine Road but also now from Dortmund or Madrid. It builds bridges.

The idea that this will ever be challenged by some legal ruling or what team we're playing against is unfathomable to me and the people who are United fans, for example, that now declare that football is rubbish and they've lost passion for it are people I side-eye suspiciously. They weren't in it for the same reasons that I was and am. My enthusiasm for my surrogate family, my community of like minded people, is not based on how many goals we score or how fast our midfielders are. It's based on memories and heritage and looking out for your own, it's a personal relationship. Football is not an entertainment product to me, it's a working class culture that has been pervasive in my family and my area for a hundred years. They can dock us a million points and I'll still be there excited to watch us play the Dog and Duck Reserves.

Football is ultimately about the people and not the game and those who lose passion based on how successful we are have a different type of support from me.

Nailed it. Spot on.

How many of our current crop of fans will remember the smell of the old City Social Club at Maine Road, turning up as a nipper for Junior Blues and meeting the players? Nostalgia? Perhaps, but the club was an integral part of the community. We didn't really care how shit we were (except perhaps on a Mondy morning at school). Not a huge fan of the global brand model we currently have, but it's still my club.
 
Wish you greybeards would cheer up instead of wallowing in imaginings of a return to our halcyon days of oblivion. We are on the cusp of our finest hour - imagine that!
Oi! I could well be among the greyest of grey beards on here who've witnessed our ups and downs (mainly the latter!) but I love your post and I do agree with you.. we could be on the cusp of some really special things both ON (I'm certainly not giving up yet on a 5th title on the bounce!) and OFF the field (as in giving the PL/Red Cartel a right good kicking!) before this season is done with.

Like you and all of the other Blues who contribute here, I took my tribal love for City in with my Mother's milk.. like the rest of my family, distant cousins and all, City from birth, absolutely no question!

And given what we've been involved in historically with our club, as well as the glories of the past fifteen years, why on Earth would any of us give up on that connection that binds us together?

If I might, your use of 'halcyon' is apposite and interesting (well, to me at any rate!)

I remember from ancient history studies the Greek myths, including that of the Halcyon bird (which some sources claim to be the woodpecker) The Halcyon bird not only symbolises 'calm, Summer days' but also 'constancy and support' because she stays faithful to her partner for life and when he is unable to fly, she takes him on her wings to travel together. And given the fact that the Halcyon bird was permitted to fly high by the Gods to take the sky's blue colour, I think it's altogether a perfect symbol for all us Blues in these 'challenging' times..!
 
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Wish you greybeards would cheer up instead of wallowing in imaginings of a return to our halcyon days of oblivion. We are on the cusp of our finest hour - imagine that!
As @citymad said, the last 15 years have been beyond anything I could ever have imagined in my wildest dreams.

I remember when I was working in the centre of Liverpool In 2005, just after Joey Barton's brother murdered that lad. I went into the main Barclays branch and they had the PL trophy there. You could have your picture taken with it for a £5 donation to the charity set up for this lad.

I said to the security guard that I was a City fan and this was likely to be the nearest I'd ever get to the trophy. I think I've had a picture with it, with those sky blue ribbons, about 5 times in the last few years.

I also remember coming back from a work trip on the night united were having their treble parade, just before the League 1 playoff. It was utterly inconceivable then that we'd have one ourselves less than 25 years later.

Back in the summer of 2008 I sat in the office I was working in and could feel the blood draining from my face when I got a phone call telling me we were probably going into administration.

I'm fucking ecstatic at where we are now.
 
Oi! I could well be among the greyest of grey beards on here who've witnessed our ups and downs (mainly the latter!) but I love your post and I do agree with you.. we could be on the cusp of some really special things both ON (I'm certainly not giving up yet on a 5th title on the bounce!) and OFF the field (as in giving the PL/Red Cartel a right good kicking!) before this season is done with.

Like you and all of the other Blues who contribute here, I took my tribal love for City in with my Mother's milk.. like the rest of my family, distant cousins and all, City from birth, absolutely no question!

And given what we've been involved in historically with our club, as well as the glories of the past fifteen years, why on Earth would any of us give up on that connection that binds us together?

If I might, your use of 'halcyon' is apposite and interesting (well, to me at any rate!)

I remember from ancient history studies the Greek myths, including that of the Halcyon bird (which some sources claim to be the woodpecker) The Halcyon bird not only symbolises 'calm, Summer days' but also 'constancy and support' because she stays faithful to her partner for life and when he is unable to fly, she takes him on her wings to travel together. And given the fact that the Halcyon bird was permitted to fly high by the Gods to take the sky's blue colour, I think it's altogether a perfect symbol for all us Blues in these 'challenging' times..!
Very profound
 
[They can relegate us to the fucking non league for all I care] has been my stance throughout. It's not that I don't care necessarily, its that it won't drastically affect me if they relegate us to semi-pro to be honest. The vast majority of my life, City have been bouncing between wank, depressing and an embarrassment. I started supporting them under those conditions, living down the road from the country's most dominating, successful and celebrated club in their most dominant, successful and celebrated era. The idea that results or success define my support and passion for City in any way is not reflective of how City are perceived in my life.

One of the reason I always give time to help out City projects such as Bluemoon or the others is because City supporters, to me, were a surrogate family. Me and my old man didn't really get on much growing up as we're different people but going to Maine Road with him and the lads was our shared connection. When I became around 11 or so, I started going on my own when he was working away, jumping on the bus and trying to jib in or whatever and my Dad used to quietly ask the lads he knew were going to keep one eye on me and make sure I was alright, and they did. They sneaked me in, gave me their programmes for my collection and even bought me a cheeky half pint once in a while. As I grew up surrounded by United fans my own age, it could be a lonely time when we were getting battered and they were stomping teams, so these older lads used to tell me stories of the 60s and 70s, about how it wasn't always like this and it seemed almost mythical. It's one of the reasons why Kinkladze was such a big player to me - Paul Lake was my hero growing up because my name is also Paul and he was a City fan and when you're a kid, these things matter to you. But Kinkladze was someone who harked back to an era where football was exciting to watch and City had a mercurial talent. Even my Dad's mates were raving about him like they raved about Bell or Lee. That connection from them being young lads who wanted to watch their heroes but now suffering and seeing a young lad adopt a new silky hero made them feel young and positive.

Now I have my own young family and family members who I pass my experiences on to. It's not what those lads did for me - telling me that better days would come again, now it's more like trying to show them perspective that in the grand scheme of things the results don't really matter so not to flip out every time we draw because all they've seen is success. It's my generation's job to look out for young lads now and grass them up to their Dad for ballooning around. And one day it will be their job because ultimately we all look out for each other, that is always what has made City great to me. When you pass someone in the street with a City shirt on and you share that little nod of respect. Because they're "one of us" for lack of a better term. I could meet my worst enemy in a pub but if they were a City fan then we have a shared heritage and a common point of interest to have a chat and a laugh about. Stories from Maine Road but also now from Dortmund or Madrid. It builds bridges.

The idea that this will ever be challenged by some legal ruling or what team we're playing against is unfathomable to me and the people who are United fans, for example, that now declare that football is rubbish and they've lost passion for it are people I side-eye suspiciously. They weren't in it for the same reasons that I was and am. My enthusiasm for my surrogate family, my community of like minded people, is not based on how many goals we score or how fast our midfielders are. It's based on memories and heritage and looking out for your own, it's a personal relationship. Football is not an entertainment product to me, it's a working class culture that has been pervasive in my family and my area for a hundred years. They can dock us a million points and I'll still be there excited to watch us play the Dog and Duck Reserves.

Football is ultimately about the people and not the game and those who lose passion based on how successful we are have a different type of support from me.

This is a great post in many ways, but I'm afraid I can't get behind the central premise. I'd support us if we got relegated to the Northern Premier and had derbies with that shower at FC United, but, if we have any kind of draconian punishment imposed, I'll be outraged, dismayed, disgusted and filled with rage unless, in the aftermath of the current PL proceedings against us, it emerges that we unequivocally deserve it.

Should that happen, well it's been a great ride and we'll have another one as we climb back up the leagues. But that's not remotely how I think things actually are.

If, as I suspect, our current travails have emerged fundamentally through a witch hunt wherein the PL and our rivals have a puncher's chance of landing something serious and they manage to do so, there's no way I can be phlegmatic about our place at the top of the game being snatched from our grasp. And that's not because I've come to expect all the glory as a matter of course and now feel entitled to it. I certainly don't.

But for rival clubs predominantly headed by American disaster capitalists pursuing their own venal self interests to snatch it away through malice, bad faith and chicanery? I don't see how anyone of a City persuasion could, in that eventuality, be anything but devastated at the naked injustice of it all.
 
This is a great post in many ways, but I'm afraid I can't get behind the central premise. I'd support us if we got relegated to the Northern Premier and had derbies with that shower at FC United, but, if we have any kind of draconian punishment imposed, I'll be outraged, dismayed, disgusted and filled with rage unless, in the aftermath of the current PL proceedings against us, it emerges that we unequivocally deserve it.

Should that happen, well it's been a great ride and we'll have another one as we climb back up the leagues. But that's not remotely how I think things actually are.

If, as I suspect, our current travails have emerged fundamentally through a witch hunt wherein the PL and our rivals have a puncher's chance of landing something serious and they manage to do so, there's no way I can be phlegmatic about our place at the top of the game being snatched from our grasp. And that's not because I've come to expect all the glory as a matter of course and now feel entitled to it. I certainly don't.

But for rival clubs predominantly headed by American disaster capitalists pursuing their own venal self interests to snatch it away through malice, bad faith and chicanery? I don't see how anyone of a City persuasion could, in that eventuality, be anything but devastated at the naked injustice of it all.
This 100%
 
This is a great post in many ways, but I'm afraid I can't get behind the central premise. I'd support us if we got relegated to the Northern Premier and had derbies with that shower at FC United, but, if we have any kind of draconian punishment imposed, I'll be outraged, dismayed, disgusted and filled with rage unless, in the aftermath of the current PL proceedings against us, it emerges that we unequivocally deserve it.

Should that happen, well it's been a great ride and we'll have another one as we climb back up the leagues. But that's not remotely how I think things actually are.

If, as I suspect, our current travails have emerged fundamentally through a witch hunt wherein the PL and our rivals have a puncher's chance of landing something serious and they manage to do so, there's no way I can be phlegmatic about our place at the top of the game being snatched from our grasp. And that's not because I've come to expect all the glory as a matter of course and now feel entitled to it. I certainly don't.

But for rival clubs predominantly headed by American disaster capitalists pursuing their own venal self interests to snatch it away through malice, bad faith and chicanery? I don't see how anyone of a City persuasion could, in that eventuality, be anything but devastated at the naked injustice of it all.
I genuinely believe that IF we go down and its a big IF we take the whole thing down with us.
 
Agreed but by god this past decade or so has have been truly amazing. Us oldies can go to the grave knowing we've seen it all. From the dross of Brennan, Heath, Badbuy, Ball and Coppell to the fantasy football from Mancini's, Pellers and Pep's teams with Merlin, Aguero, Vinny, KDB, Rodri,and prime Yaya.
More to come mate, even for us oldies
 

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