Media discussion - 2024/25

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Neville desperately screaming “penalty!” when Dias slipped and the ball hit his chest shows just why Sky really shouldn’t have him on United duty, or Carragher on Liverpool games. It’s like fan TV. Any veil of neutrality slips at times and they show their true colours. Sadly, Sky seemingly don’t care or just want to appease certain clubs/fanbases.
 
Ric said:
Neville desperately screaming “penalty!” when Dias slipped and the ball hit his chest shows just why Sky really shouldn’t have him on United duty, or Carragher on Liverpool games. It’s like fan TV. Any veil of neutrality slips at times and they show their true colours. Sadly, Sky seemingly don’t care or just want to appease certain clubs/fanbases.
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TNT also with Rio Ferdinand etc, Ric.
 
Ric said:
Neville desperately screaming “penalty!” when Dias slipped and the ball hit his chest shows just why Sky really shouldn’t have him on United duty, or Carragher on Liverpool games. It’s like fan TV. Any veil of neutrality slips at times and they show their true colours. Sadly, Sky seemingly don’t care or just want to appease certain clubs/fanbases.
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A lot of rags/dips can't think for themselves and need uncle gargoyle or uncle spitty to hold their hand. Surplus to requirements if you have eyes and a brain.
 
Ric said:
Neville desperately screaming “penalty!” when Dias slipped and the ball hit his chest shows just why Sky really shouldn’t have him on United duty, or Carragher on Liverpool games. It’s like fan TV. Any veil of neutrality slips at times and they show their true colours. Sadly, Sky seemingly don’t care or just want to appease certain clubs/fanbases.
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You could see in real time that Dias never touched it, there was a coming together between Kovocic and Casemiro after that he then tried to insinuate there was something in it. Reffing the game from the commentary box to get his mates doing VAR to throw the rags something they shouldn’t have.
 
Neville is moaning about what football has become obviously its all peps fault.
Haaland, salah, kane have broke all type of goal scoring records. Teams have scored 90+ goals without strikers. He was moaning that we need more mavericks to make things happen. The reason we don't have more mavericks is the level of opposition players are alot better than in his day. I bet even Henry would not post his numbers and be able to score some of the goals like he did.
You need 95 pts to win leagues most seasons, I think united won a league with 79 one year.
The football of today is the result of it becoming alot more professional, detailed.
I personally think football today is much higher quality. The best match I have ever witnessed was city 2-1 Liverpool game. Not because there were tackles flying in as most pundits think you need to do, it was both teams played pretty much perfect football, the quality of that match was unmatched.
Other teams are trying to get to that level and I think overall it's good to see.
The so called prem league golden era see arsenal make 1 champions league final and fuck all else, united a stuffy win in 1999 and 2008, Liverpool stuffy win 2005. At least when city and Liverpool won recently you can say they were the best teams in Europe.
I regular watch maths from 90s 00s on sky, and they are no where near the same quality as today.
 
Milesvk said:
Neville is moaning about what football has become obviously its all peps fault.
Haaland, salah, kane have broke all type of goal scoring records. Teams have scored 90+ goals without strikers. He was moaning that we need more mavericks to make things happen. The reason we don't have more mavericks is the level of opposition players are alot better than in his day. I bet even Henry would not post his numbers and be able to score some of the goals like he did.
You need 95 pts to win leagues most seasons, I think united won a league with 79 one year.
The football of today is the result of it becoming alot more professional, detailed.
I personally think football today is much higher quality. The best match I have ever witnessed was city 2-1 Liverpool game. Not because there were tackles flying in as most pundits think you need to do, it was both teams played pretty much perfect football, the quality of that match was unmatched.
Other teams are trying to get to that level and I think overall it's good to see.
The so called prem league golden era see arsenal make 1 champions league final and fuck all else, united a stuffy win in 1999 and 2008, Liverpool stuffy win 2005. At least when city and Liverpool won recently you can say they were the best teams in Europe.
I regular watch maths from 90s 00s on sky, and they are no where near the same quality as today.
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That sums it up well
 
Milesvk said:
Neville is moaning about what football has become obviously its all peps fault.
Haaland, salah, kane have broke all type of goal scoring records. Teams have scored 90+ goals without strikers. He was moaning that we need more mavericks to make things happen. The reason we don't have more mavericks is the level of opposition players are alot better than in his day. I bet even Henry would not post his numbers and be able to score some of the goals like he did.
You need 95 pts to win leagues most seasons, I think united won a league with 79 one year.
The football of today is the result of it becoming alot more professional, detailed.
I personally think football today is much higher quality. The best match I have ever witnessed was city 2-1 Liverpool game. Not because there were tackles flying in as most pundits think you need to do, it was both teams played pretty much perfect football, the quality of that match was unmatched.
Other teams are trying to get to that level and I think overall it's good to see.
The so called prem league golden era see arsenal make 1 champions league final and fuck all else, united a stuffy win in 1999 and 2008, Liverpool stuffy win 2005. At least when city and Liverpool won recently you can say they were the best teams in Europe.
I regular watch maths from 90s 00s on sky, and they are no where near the same quality as today.
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I don't know, everyone has said what a poor league it is this season as a defence mechanism to Liverpool winning it. The football of today is boring, certainly watching us is. I said it whilst top of the league this season too so nothing new. Tactically it is as detailed as ever but I agree to an extent with him about players being petrified of being an inch out of position, nobody willing to take a risk and that is why you can see our slow boring play. To create anything we need an eye of the needle type ball, a peak KDB could do it and you see the impact it has when he is older and others cannot do it. The perfect goal cannot be scored. The game does need mavericks, it is what we all fell in love with the game with I am sure. Kinky, Silva, Bernarbia, Berkovic, SWP, these forward thinking players, not worried about losing the ball and bringing a bit of excitement to the game. It isn't Peps fault that everybody has tried to copy him, but looking at us it needs to evolve. Centurion season wasn't like this, that was fast, direct, powerful and exciting football. Football moves and we need Pep to move with it this time, him not setting the pace and setting that change might be what he is trying to work out and best way to combat it.
 
Milesvk said:
Neville is moaning about what football has become obviously its all peps fault.
Haaland, salah, kane have broke all type of goal scoring records. Teams have scored 90+ goals without strikers. He was moaning that we need more mavericks to make things happen. The reason we don't have more mavericks is the level of opposition players are alot better than in his day. I bet even Henry would not post his numbers and be able to score some of the goals like he did.
You need 95 pts to win leagues most seasons, I think united won a league with 79 one year.
The football of today is the result of it becoming alot more professional, detailed.
I personally think football today is much higher quality. The best match I have ever witnessed was city 2-1 Liverpool game. Not because there were tackles flying in as most pundits think you need to do, it was both teams played pretty much perfect football, the quality of that match was unmatched.
Other teams are trying to get to that level and I think overall it's good to see.
The so called prem league golden era see arsenal make 1 champions league final and fuck all else, united a stuffy win in 1999 and 2008, Liverpool stuffy win 2005. At least when city and Liverpool won recently you can say they were the best teams in Europe.
I regular watch maths from 90s 00s on sky, and they are no where near the same quality as today.
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Think the point he is making is the bus or low block is it always used to be just against City. Now teams play this system against 'smaller' teams so more games are now getting boring
 
give it to gordon said:
Think the point he is making is the bus or low block is it always used to be just against City. Now teams play this system against 'smaller' teams so more games are now getting boring
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I get it but it's just the result of good analysis is to counter the possession style pep football, it gets the best results against us.
For me when I hear neville and others, I think their ego cloud's their judgment. When I say ego it's because they clearly state their era of football and players were the best. I just don't think it was, like I pointed out I watch old matches say united v Liverpool and in contrast with say Brighton v Bournemouth of today they are world's apart in terms of intensity, speed and ability.
Yesterday's match was boring mainly for the fact is our main players are out of sorts, united made it hard to find space, they would win the ball back, smash it up field and then do something shit. We get the ball and rinse and repeat.
We have seen 6-3, 4-1, 3-0, 3-2 derby's all playing the same way but the players were more effective.
He is making out yesteryear football was all guns blazing, take risks football and it just simply wasn't.
Players had more space back then because of less tactical play so they could go on a dribble etc.
 
Ric said:
Neville desperately screaming “penalty!” when Dias slipped and the ball hit his chest shows just why Sky really shouldn’t have him on United duty, or Carragher on Liverpool games. It’s like fan TV. Any veil of neutrality slips at times and they show their true colours. Sadly, Sky seemingly don’t care or just want to appease certain clubs/fanbases.
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I'd go even further and say the whole broadcast was a rag love-in. I tuned in about 20mins before ko and all i heard was united this united that. MUTV was probably less biased.
 
give it to gordon said:
Think the point he is making is the bus or low block is it always used to be just against City. Now teams play this system against 'smaller' teams so more games are now getting boring
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Some teams, especially United, have resorted to ultra defensive tactics with two blocks of five defenders and a long hoofball in the hope of scoring on the counter attack. Leicester did this against us, and wasted time, even when they were 2-0 down. These sort of anti-football teams are in a minority. Some of the football played this season by Liverpool (early on), Brighton, Forest, Bournemouth, Fulham, Palace, and especially Villa, has been fantastic. City are still an attacking side which scores plenty of goals but too many of our players are burned-out. We will be back next season. Neville is a total dickhead who can't get over the fact that his club has been left behind.
 
thegoatsthegoat said:
I don't know, everyone has said what a poor league it is this season as a defence mechanism to Liverpool winning it. The football of today is boring, certainly watching us is. I said it whilst top of the league this season too so nothing new. Tactically it is as detailed as ever but I agree to an extent with him about players being petrified of being an inch out of position, nobody willing to take a risk and that is why you can see our slow boring play. To create anything we need an eye of the needle type ball, a peak KDB could do it and you see the impact it has when he is older and others cannot do it. The perfect goal cannot be scored. The game does need mavericks, it is what we all fell in love with the game with I am sure. Kinky, Silva, Bernarbia, Berkovic, SWP, these forward thinking players, not worried about losing the ball and bringing a bit of excitement to the game. It isn't Peps fault that everybody has tried to copy him, but looking at us it needs to evolve. Centurion season wasn't like this, that was fast, direct, powerful and exciting football. Football moves and we need Pep to move with it this time, him not setting the pace and setting that change might be what he is trying to work out and best way to combat it.
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I genuinely don't think City are boring now I would saying watching the bus teams is boring. As nearly every team parks the bus against us City games can be seen as boring. It takes two teams to play a game of football, if one doesn't want to win the game could be boring.
City try to win games alot of teams playing us don't try to win the game and are happy with a point.

I've said for a few seasons now the pl runs the risk of becoming boring as more and more teams park the bus against each other
 
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