Media Thread 2017/18

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But it is consciously & knowingly altering the potential outcome of the game. Therefore it is fixed.

A ref can't fix a game, he can only influence it

There was a match we played against Norwich a few years ago and the ref was abysmal in the first twenty five minutes as he gave Norwich absolutely everything and us absolutely nothing, however we were three nil up even with his terrible performance

There was a poster on here who told the story of how he took an Arsenal supporting mate to this game, who was gobsmacked at this dreadful refereeing performance and even he said he thought the ref was bent
He said "He tried everything to keep Norwich in the game, but when City scored the third it seems he just gave up"
 
It's this notion that people who want to disprove the whole thing go "well it can hardly be an orchestrated campaign where every game is rigged and everyone's following orders, can it? There would be proof, it would leak"

Going back to Bozzie's post, there are some games, as proved by Matt Le Tissier, where certain things are attempted to be fixed. Then there are others where the result is attempted to be fixed, but it doesn't always work, it's not 100% foolproof but it doesn't mean it wasn't attempted. We refer back to Atkinson, at 0-0 he held some sway and had an influence, at 2-0 he had little influence but back at 2-2/3-2 he had a lot of influence and decided the result. Anthony Taylor at 5-0 v Watford gives us a penalty, Craig Pawson at 3-0 v Swansea gives us a penalty, they can't make a difference so a) it doesn't matter and b) it balances their record. At 0-0 v Chelsea, at 0-0 away at Leicester, at 1-0 v Spurs and 0-0 v Arsenal in the cup semi-final these referees have continually avoided giving us decisions and in only one of those instances did we win the game.

Different referees will have vested interests. Is it hard to imagine that Taylor as a rag wouldn't want to disrupt City a little bit out of personal bias? When people publish links between Moss/Hodgson, or Clattenburg gets linked to certain people, you get to realise that different people back different horses for different reasons, and then you add Scudamore's comments, the influence of senior United executives within the PL, FA, UEFA and FIFA and Lahoz being in the pay of the Spanish FA and he happens to get 2 City games where he gives 2 penalties against us, disallows a perfectly good goal and sends the pro-Catalan Pep off. All of these influences, biases and then add on a bit of financial incentive and pressure, and you build a picture.
 
It's this notion that people who want to disprove the whole thing go "well it can hardly be an orchestrated campaign where every game is rigged and everyone's following orders, can it? There would be proof, it would leak"

Going back to Bozzie's post, there are some games, as proved by Matt Le Tissier, where certain things are attempted to be fixed. Then there are others where the result is attempted to be fixed, but it doesn't always work, it's not 100% foolproof but it doesn't mean it wasn't attempted. We refer back to Atkinson, at 0-0 he held some sway and had an influence, at 2-0 he had little influence but back at 2-2/3-2 he had a lot of influence and decided the result. Anthony Taylor at 5-0 v Watford gives us a penalty, Craig Pawson at 3-0 v Swansea gives us a penalty, they can't make a difference so a) it doesn't matter and b) it balances their record. At 0-0 v Chelsea, at 0-0 away at Leicester, at 1-0 v Spurs and 0-0 v Arsenal in the cup semi-final these referees have continually avoided giving us decisions and in only one of those instances did we win the game.

Different referees will have vested interests. Is it hard to imagine that Taylor as a rag wouldn't want to disrupt City a little bit out of personal bias? When people publish links between Moss/Hodgson, or Clattenburg gets linked to certain people, you get to realise that different people back different horses for different reasons, and then you add Scudamore's comments, the influence of senior United executives within the PL, FA, UEFA and FIFA and Lahoz being in the pay of the Spanish FA and he happens to get 2 City games where he gives 2 penalties against us, disallows a perfectly good goal and sends the pro-Catalan Pep off. All of these influences, biases and then add on a bit of financial incentive and pressure, and you build a picture.
Excellent post!
 
It's this notion that people who want to disprove the whole thing go "well it can hardly be an orchestrated campaign where every game is rigged and everyone's following orders, can it? There would be proof, it would leak"

Going back to Bozzie's post, there are some games, as proved by Matt Le Tissier, where certain things are attempted to be fixed. Then there are others where the result is attempted to be fixed, but it doesn't always work, it's not 100% foolproof but it doesn't mean it wasn't attempted. We refer back to Atkinson, at 0-0 he held some sway and had an influence, at 2-0 he had little influence but back at 2-2/3-2 he had a lot of influence and decided the result. Anthony Taylor at 5-0 v Watford gives us a penalty, Craig Pawson at 3-0 v Swansea gives us a penalty, they can't make a difference so a) it doesn't matter and b) it balances their record. At 0-0 v Chelsea, at 0-0 away at Leicester, at 1-0 v Spurs and 0-0 v Arsenal in the cup semi-final these referees have continually avoided giving us decisions and in only one of those instances did we win the game.

Different referees will have vested interests. Is it hard to imagine that Taylor as a rag wouldn't want to disrupt City a little bit out of personal bias? When people publish links between Moss/Hodgson, or Clattenburg gets linked to certain people, you get to realise that different people back different horses for different reasons, and then you add Scudamore's comments, the influence of senior United executives within the PL, FA, UEFA and FIFA and Lahoz being in the pay of the Spanish FA and he happens to get 2 City games where he gives 2 penalties against us, disallows a perfectly good goal and sends the pro-Catalan Pep off. All of these influences, biases and then add on a bit of financial incentive and pressure, and you build a picture.
This post belongs in a number of different threads. Well written mate, IMO you have hit the nail on the head.
 
A ref can't fix a game, he can only influence it

There was a match we played against Norwich a few years ago and the ref was abysmal in the first twenty five minutes as he gave Norwich absolutely everything and us absolutely nothing, however we were three nil up even with his terrible performance

There was a poster on here who told the story of how he took an Arsenal supporting mate to this game, who was gobsmacked at this dreadful refereeing performance and even he said he thought the ref was bent
He said "He tried everything to keep Norwich in the game, but when City scored the third it seems he just gave up"
Step forward Chris Foy.....it really was a game of 30 mins & then another of 60.
 
Only saw the second half last night and was surprised to hear the commentators telling me how much on top Arsenal were when my eyes were telling me Griezman and Costa looked like scoring every time AM came forward. Arsenal must have been brilliant in the first half and unlucky to concede, I thought. Then Arsenal had a long shot turned round the post and the stats revealed this was their second goal attempt and theiyfirst (and it transpired only) shot on target

Savage was banging on about how Arsenal had "bossed possession, bossed chances, bossed the game." Match stats (source: The Guardian match report):

Atletico Madrid:Arsenal

Possession - 50:50
Shots - 12:4
On target - 7:1

Savage is an utter balloon.
 
Savage was banging on about how Arsenal had "bossed possession, bossed chances, bossed the game." Match stats (source: The Guardian match report):

Atletico Madrid:Arsenal

Possession - 50:50
Shots - 12:4
On target - 7:1

Savage is an utter balloon.
He is indeed.
So full of himself.
Shoots his mouth off without thinking or analysis and then when proved wrong by replays or stats doesn' have the humility to admit he was wrong.
 
A ref can't fix a game, he can only influence it

There was a match we played against Norwich a few years ago and the ref was abysmal in the first twenty five minutes as he gave Norwich absolutely everything and us absolutely nothing, however we were three nil up even with his terrible performance

There was a poster on here who told the story of how he took an Arsenal supporting mate to this game, who was gobsmacked at this dreadful refereeing performance and even he said he thought the ref was bent
He said "He tried everything to keep Norwich in the game, but when City scored the third it seems he just gave up"

But to intentionally influence the game towards one particular side is neither right nor fair?
It is giving one team a definite unfair advantage over the other.
The unfair advantage the ref gave to Liverpool when they played us had a major bearing on the final result /outcome.
I guess it comes down to semantics regarding the term 'fixed'?
 
A ref can't fix a game, he can only influence it

There was a match we played against Norwich a few years ago and the ref was abysmal in the first twenty five minutes as he gave Norwich absolutely everything and us absolutely nothing, however we were three nil up even with his terrible performance

There was a poster on here who told the story of how he took an Arsenal supporting mate to this game, who was gobsmacked at this dreadful refereeing performance and even he said he thought the ref was bent
He said "He tried everything to keep Norwich in the game, but when City scored the third it seems he just gave up"
That was Foy, nearly burst a blood vessel watching that. Had a similar showing from Craig Pawson 2 weeks ago in the Swansea game.
 
I think my overall assessment was I didn't think we deserved to go through. Others have said we did. Even without the decisions they thought we played well which I find pretty strange. I guess it could of been different had the goals not been chalked off, who knows.

Yes Liverpool played better than us, deffo in the first half at Anfield & ultimately deserved to go through mate.
But that is beside the point.
How many times have Utd been 2nd best & won a game this season? For example Anfield, Spurs in the cup even V Arsenal reserves at the weekend. Yet they found a way to not get beat or win because the ref did his job & didn't help the oppo, on some occasions he helped Utd.
Look at Real v Bayern. Bayern were the better team yet the ref did his job. Bayern defended poorly & wasted chances so went out.
Deserve has nothing to do with it its about fairness.
City dominated many games in 2016/17 but dropped points in a lot of them because we were not efficient in both boxes. That is Citys fault but a remember a few games where the ref messed up too to exacerbate matters.
Wigan in the cup got help from the ref too even though City dominated the game we went out. Yes City wasted many chances & gave a crap goal way but the ref had a say on the games result.
Ultimately City V Liverpool & Bayern V Real the losers defended poorly & that is something City need to improve on for next season.
Rather than City going gung ho when we go a goal down at a tough ground keep it tight & ride out the storm rather than opening ourselves up trying to score straight away, its naïve & we need to be a bit more streetwise.
City have the class in attack sooner or later we will get chances, we do not need to rush as much.
City defended poorly that's our fault & Liverpool were clinical to their credit.
But in big games where it is tight goals change the flow of the game & the momentum of the game too. 5-1 deffo flattered Liverpool, even dippers I know said the same.
Salah goal was offside yet was given, stonewall pen for Sterling waved away & two perfectly good goals by Jesus & Sane wrongly chalked off. The ref deffo had an impact on the game mate.
Not totally the refs fault we went out but he deffo had a hand in it.
 
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