Media Thread 2020/21

[LongsightM13]

You could blow this agitprop away like you would a dandelion head....




The "plea" to the fans at the end was both clumsy and patronising.

‘Sportswashing’ bingo. Condescending, shrill and hilariously holier than thou. Still, some more free advertising for McGeehan’s lucrative little business of slagging City off. You can bet the usual suspects will be log-rolling it soon

 

[Mike N]

You could blow this agitprop away like you would a dandelion head....




The "plea" to the fans at the end was both clumsy and patronising.

I LOL at the ‘praying for forgiveness’ when he mentioned Ronaldo!

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Those death figures are just for workers from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Nepal FYI, not the whole migrant workforce. And they clearly explain in the article that the reported causes of death are highly suspect. Around 80% are attributed to 'natural causes.' If 80% of deaths in Lancashire were purportedly heart attacks, to use your example, I think you'd agree that there was something iffy about the stats the authorities were providing, and/or it would suggest that the working conditions were dangerously hard.

I am not disagreeing with you. But I think newspapers like the Guardian undermine the cause of human rights by distorting the facts. The Qatar article was originally supplied by a freelance and has been regurgitated by numerous websites and freelances across the world. Most of these freelances are paid for producing this content which is why is is often exaggerated. Some of these freelances are just in it for the money.

 

[Mike Cledford]

You should not speak about our next Prime Minister like that, some on here, never mind the rest of the country will take offence and be upset.

Which party? With all that money and a significant landlord in Wilmslow he is a capitalist. Or a very rich socialist.
I think if he went into the workplaces of most people who can't see through the hype attached to him and started telling them that they are not doing their jobs properly he would be soon fucked off out of it.

 

[The perfect fumble]

‘Sportswashing’ bingo. Condescending, shrill and hilariously holier than thou. Still, some more free advertising for McGeehan’s lucrative little business of slagging City off. You can bet the usual suspects will be log-rolling it soon

It's liberal/left wing cultural imperialism branded as rights, selectively applied, and wrapped in obfuscation and lies.

 

[citymad]

You could blow this agitprop away like you would a dandelion head....




The "plea" to the fans at the end was both clumsy and patronising.

Wouldnt be suprised if they were either Arsenal or Newcastle fans.

 

[LongsightM13]

Not going to link to it but one of the Guardian’s resident sexual deviants, Barry Glendenning - a man who I think once referred to us as ‘scum’ in a podcast - has predictably inserted a dig at City fans into his latest article on Qatar.
As ever, the bare faced hypocrites will be first in the queue when the press tickets and accreditations for the world cup, F1, big boxing events etc are being handed out

 

[M12Blue]

Those death figures are just for workers from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Nepal FYI, not the whole migrant workforce. And they clearly explain in the article that the reported causes of death are highly suspect. Around 80% are attributed to 'natural causes.' If 80% of deaths in Lancashire were purportedly heart attacks, to use your example, I think you'd agree that there was something iffy about the stats the authorities were providing, and/or it would suggest that the working conditions were dangerously hard.

It’s hard to know but working outside in construction in 40+ degrees would lead to dehydration whic would obviously put a strain on the heart.
They have fairly recently reformed working times for these guys, I assume as a result.
Majority of construction workers from these countries will be fairly young blokes too.

 

[Citizen Green]

You could blow this agitprop away like you would a dandelion head....




The "plea" to the fans at the end was both clumsy and patronising.

Here's my two pennies worth on the whole sports washing debate (if anyone is interested)

I feel when Sheikh Mansour bought the club back in 2008 it is fairly clear it was with Abu Dhabi's backing, he is a member of their Royal Family after all. It was widely known that the UAE at that time were investing in industries around the world in order to build an economy less reliant on oil (there's that word) and one that could also fall back on various enterprises. Some of these included Virgin Galactic, the bail out of Barclays in '08 & clearly the acquisition of Manchester City.

Now, where I differ with the view point in that video is that I don't see this as being about clearing their image to the West or any other sinister motives for that matter. It is more about getting into the Western market in a way that has allowed them to secure their future, build influence and trade with a view to remaining on the world stage once the oil isn't viable. As a result we have seen in our own club the incredible job they have done in turning City into the best run football club on the planet along with the redevelopment of East Manchester.

Now let's look at the facts:

- Human rights abuses:

Whilst it's clear human rights are far from perfect in the UAE, it is in my view, very hypocritical for the press of the very nation that divided and fractured the region in the aftermath of WW1 to sit in their ivory towers and criticize the UAE, which for a start, holds a complete set of moral values to the West via the Sharia it follows as part of it's core identity. We all know the Middle East isn't Disney Land, but let's also not demonize the countries there that are actually rapidly improving and implanting Western culture, even giving to it, when it was the west that fractured and plundered the region of it's natural resources in the first place.

- Soft Power:

This, is just plain old Capitalism. Powerful people buy into industries for influence for all manner of reasons, it's is as old as the Pound itself. However, it would appear to me that it is only a problem when brown Muslim people do it, rather than the traditional white Westerners. If anyone can show me the facts of how Sheikh Mansour buying Manchester City, and then using it to develop land around Manchester and the UK, for better leverage with the UK government in other business ventures, has been a bad thing, I'll hold my hands up, however I will require solid evidence.

- City are bad for the game:

Our chairman nailed it best when he said 'we will not be held accountable for the poor decisions of other football clubs' or something to that effect. You can have all the resources in the world, but if you don't put the right people in the right place and invest in the right areas you just end up with an expensive mess, see FC Barcelona for a clear modern example of this, or Man Utd until recently. We ourselves are where we are today because we have invested wisely and built steadily with a clear model in place. City's investment has opened the door to the likes of Leicester, Tottenham & others to seriously complete in the Premier League, as before the takeover the Top 4 consisted of Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea & Liverpool year in, year out. Collecting all of that CL revenue and creating a gap to the rest. We have shattered that and redistributed money around the game, leading to a much better Premier League.

To summarize:

Our owners aren't perfect, if I could change the human rights abuses in the Middle East as a whole I would, but at the same time I respect that the UAE is trying to get better in comparison with the wider region, they are growing at a rapid rate whilst taking the best of Western culture to do so, not withstanding that they have a very different culture to our own. Just look at what they've done for the City of Manchester, women's football, the LGBT culture within the football club, this is just the stuff we know about. We haven't even touched the surface on their other investments/business portfolio. They are not quite the brown backward Muslim's these groups make them out to be.

I also can not take the reporting of the likes of Miguel Delaney to be informed and factual, when, during our FFP trial he was presented with a brilliantly written article by a lawyer which pretty much detailed and called how the case would go, and totally dismissed it. It proved he has a narrative he is driven by regardless of facts. Any journalist worth his salt would of taken that info on board and ran with it.

Now, back to the Football

 

[LongsightM13]

Here's my two pennies worth on the whole sports washing debate (if anyone is interested)

I feel when Sheikh Mansour bought the club back in 2008 it is fairly clear it was with Abu Dhabi's backing, he is a member of their Royal Family after all. It was widely known that the UAE at that time were investing in industries around the world in order to build an economy less reliant on oil (there's that word) and one that could also fall back on various enterprises. Some of these included Virgin Galactic, the bail out of Barclays in '08 & clearly the acquisition of Manchester City.

Now, where I differ with the view point in that video is that I don't see this as being about clearing their image to the West or any other sinister motives for that matter. It is more about getting into the Western market in a way that has allowed them to secure their future, build influence and trade with a view to remaining on the world stage once the oil isn't viable. As a result we have seen in our own club the incredible job they have done in turning City into the best run football club on the planet along with the redevelopment of East Manchester.

Now let's look at the facts:

- Human rights abuses:

Whilst it's clear human rights are far from perfect in the UAE, it is in my view, very hypocritical for the press of the very nation that divided and fractured the region in the aftermath of WW1 to sit in their ivory towers and criticize the UAE, which for a start, holds a complete set of moral values to the West via the Sharia it follows as part of it's core identity. We all know the Middle East isn't Disney Land, but let's also not demonize the countries there that are actually rapidly improving and implanting Western culture, even giving to it, when it was the west that fractured and plundered the region of it's natural resources in the first place.

- Soft Power:

This, is just plain old Capitalism. Powerful people buy into industries for influence for all manner of reasons, it's is as old as the Pound itself. However, it would appear to me that it is only a problem when brown Muslim people do it, rather than the traditional white Westerners. If anyone can show me the facts of how Sheikh Mansour buying Manchester City, and then using it to develop land around Manchester and the UK, for better leverage with the UK government in other business ventures, has been a bad thing, I'll hold my hands up, however I will require solid evidence.

- City are bad for the game:

Our chairman nailed it best when he said 'we will not be held accountable for the poor decisions of other football clubs' or something to that effect. You can have all the resources in the world, but if you don't put the right people in the right place and invest in the right areas you just end up with an expensive mess, see FC Barcelona for a clear modern example of this, or Man Utd until recently. We ourselves are where we are today because we have invested wisely and built steadily with a clear model in place. City's investment has opened the door to the likes of Leicester, Tottenham & others to seriously complete in the Premier League, as before the takeover the Top 4 consisted of Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea & Liverpool year in, year out. Collecting all of that CL revenue and creating a gap to the rest. We have shattered that and redistributed money around the game, leading to a much better Premier League.

To summarize:

Our owners aren't perfect, if I could change the human rights abuses in the Middle East as a whole I would, but at the same time I respect that the UAE is trying to get better in comparison with the wider region, they are growing at a rapid rate whilst taking the best of Western culture to do so & that they have a different culture to our own. Just look at what they've done for the City of Manchester, women's football, the LGBT culture within the football club, this is just the stuff we know about. We haven't even touched the service on their other investments/business portfolio. They are not quite the brown backward Muslim's these groups make them out to be.

I also can not take the reporting of the likes of Miguel Delaney to be informed and factual, when, during our FFP trial he was presented with a brilliantly written article by a lawyer which pretty much detailed and called how the case would go, and totally dismissed it. It proved he has a narrative he is driven by regardless of facts. Any journalist worth his salt would of taken that info on board and ran with it.

Now, back to the Football

Great post