Media Thread 2020/21

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willipp said:
If Gundo carries on the way he is, he would be well in the running as well.
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Doubt he'll get it because most of the people involved don't watch us enough. It usually take a few little post-match montages on MOTD and then these things spread and take root amongst the know-nowts. It's why it took David silva years to get properly noticed, when most of us knew within half a dozen games that he was the best in the league.

Dias's importance is now finally taking root in the same way because it fits with the group-think narrative (which was never the whole picture) that we never replaced Kompany.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
Doubt he'll get it because most of the people involved don't watch us enough. It usually take a few little post-match montages on MOTD and then these things spread and take root amongst the know-nowts. It's why it took David silva years to get properly noticed, when most of us knew within half a dozen games that he was the best in the league.

Dias's importance is now finally taking root in the same way because it fits with the group-think narrative (which was never the whole picture) that we never replaced Kompany.
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The redshirt PR machines wont stand for this. Expect concerted Fernandes/Henderson campaigns and charm offensives of compliant media cheerleaders in the coming days and weeks
 
Didsbury Dave said:
Doubt he'll get it because most of the people involved don't watch us enough. It usually take a few little post-match montages on MOTD and then these things spread and take root amongst the know-nowts. It's why it took David silva years to get properly noticed, when most of us knew within half a dozen games that he was the best in the league.

Dias's importance is now finally taking root in the same way because it fits with the group-think narrative (which was never the whole picture) that we never replaced Kompany.
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And it allows them to shoe horn van dyke into any conversation about Dias. Its hard to remember Dias just being talked about how good he is without them bringing van dykes impact to liverpool into it.
 
The perfect fumble said:
Why nitpick, they're all just Arabs....

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These days, whenever I see the "it's just a sportswashing project" claims, all I have are questions for the place it's coming from. None of the people I have questioned have ever been able to answer.

If Mansour's private ownership of Manchester City, via his private investments company was "just a front for the state of Abu Dhabi" or indeed the whole of the UAE(that's their fallback argument when you point out the legal facts about the ownership) rather than a personal business project at heart. Ignoring the fact that it's been 12 years and success has only brought negative press in this part of the world, a trend that shows no sign of changing any time soon. Lets focus on the theory on it's own:

Wouldn't this "secret state ownership" be counter productive to the supposed aim of sportswashing the country? Isn't the whole point, that people know it's a win for whatever country wants to take credit? The fact that Rob is attributing it all to Qatar, their biggest enemies in the Persian Gulf, illustrates the point nicely. They wouldn't be keeping it secret, they'd want everyone to know, they definitely wouldn't be happy that Qatar are getting the credit, that's for sure.

FFP wasn't a thing when City were taken over either, so what would be the benefit of hiding state ownership at that time? PSG were bought out when FFP had been drawn up and Qatar made no effort ot hide it because there was no need to. Wouldn't it have been easier to just stick with sponsoring clubs with their state airlines(a stronger argument for the sportswashing claim) which clubs like Chelsea, Arsenal, Real, Barca and Bayern have little room to preach about? Where is the need to secretly own a club in any of it? I don't get it.

Why is it only City fans that can grasp the fact that the state of Qatar have openly owned PSG since June 2011. That the club was bought with state money and their biggest sponsor is QTA(Qatar Tourism Authority), which is more state money directly funding their success and this is perfectly allowed under FFP laws, as long as it meets Fair Market Value?
 
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willipp said:
And it allows them to shoe horn van dyke into any conversation about Dias. Its hard to remember Dias just being talked about how good he is without them bringing van dykes impact to liverpool into it.
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Yeah, that's the narrative for the rest of the season: City and Liverpool's positions are reversed because Dias is having the same effect on City that Van Dyke had on Liverpool because City never replaced Kompany despite spending billions on defenders.

You will hear that several thousand times from several thousand pundits, all talking as though they invented it and there won't be a mention of Van Dykles £90 million fee but lots of mentions of Dias's £60 million fee.
 
levets said:
They effectively take it from us... British tax payers. Rwanda receives foreign aid from us, then give 10m to Arsenal
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Hmm, does that make Arsenal state funded then?

Funnily enough the Dippers were saved from administration by a loan from RBS who were state owned at the time it was taken out.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
Yeah, that's the narrative for the rest of the season: City and Liverpool's positions are reversed because Dias is having the same effect on City that Van Dyke had on Liverpool because City never replaced Kompany despite spending billions on defenders.

You will hear that several thousand times from several thousand pundits, all talking as though they invented it and there won't be a mention of Van Dykles £90 million fee but lots of mentions of Dias's £60 million fee.
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Are you starting to accept that some of the press we get is less than fair, DD?!
 
I see Mark Ogden, the man who somehow kept his job despite mocking somebody for speech imediment while representing his paymaster, has thrown it back on the fans with his latest tweet.

The free ride that Liverpool and United managers get for their hypocrisy is completely ridiculous
 
Didsbury Dave said:
Yeah, that's the narrative for the rest of the season: City and Liverpool's positions are reversed because Dias is having the same effect on City that Van Dyke had on Liverpool because City never replaced Kompany despite spending billions on defenders.

You will hear that several thousand times from several thousand pundits, all talking as though they invented it and there won't be a mention of Van Dykles £90 million fee but lots of mentions of Dias's £60 million fee.
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Or the fact he effectively went on strike to force the move through which is never brought up:

Virgil van Dijk has in effect gone on strike at Southampton in an attempt to force a transfer, according to Mauricio Pellegrino. The manager said the defender had told him he wanted to leave and was not available to play for the club. Pellegrino has responded by ordering the Holland international to train alone.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Are you starting to accept that some of the press we get is less than fair, DD?!
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Yes, especially now that we are dominating. I’ve always conceded that we get bad press in certain quarters but also I believe some of our fans are ridiculously paranoid about it and see ghosts where there are none. It’s understandable: we used to be liked by everyone but now we aren’t.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
Yes, especially now that we are dominating. I’ve always conceded that we get bad press in certain quarters but also I believe some of our fans are ridiculously paranoid about it and see ghosts where there are none. It’s understandable: we used to be liked by everyone but now we aren’t.
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That pretty much echoes my views on the subject too.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
Yes, especially now that we are dominating. I’ve always conceded that we get bad press in certain quarters but also I believe some of our fans are ridiculously paranoid about it and see ghosts where there are none. It’s understandable: we used to be liked by everyone but now we aren’t.
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Just because we're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get us
 
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Didsbury Dave said:
Yes, especially now that we are dominating. I’ve always conceded that we get bad press in certain quarters but also I believe some of our fans are ridiculously paranoid about it and see ghosts where there are none. It’s understandable: we used to be liked by everyone but now we aren’t.
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If you have not woken up to smell the coffee pal you never will. We get the bad press because of islamophibia and our owners backgrounds. How dare Arab owners mix it with the rest and are even successful! Had City’s owners been American they would have written articles of the greater good that City were doing. The narrative and stereotypes created by the media is intended to stick long term and fit into a broader political agenda of the how the west want to influence the Middle East. Our owners are smart, wise and excellent in commerce and the media have struggled but they keep trying from different angles. Some of it sticks but others does not. I see where they are coming from and a lot of our clued fans do. But the herd...well that’s media manipulation at work!
 
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