Media Thread - 2021/22

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Nothing can be said at present but the trial in January could have a very negative impact on City's reputation unfortunately.

You're a respected contributor on here and always post in good faith, so we should do you the courtesy of respecting your assertion that you can't say more now. Even though I'm a nosy bastard who's curious about it!

More seriously, sounds like depressing news, though. I suppose we'll just have to deal with it as and when it happens.
 
Strange take, mate. Let’s get to the truth.
What's a strange take?

The bit about having a paedo give evidence on your behalf in court?

Do you really think that is a good look?

But as it happens somebody explained it was not City's doing but the insurance people and the abused men had refused City's compo offer on legal advice.

But I still stand by the fact getting a paedo that supposedly abused these boys to give evidence and btw another chance for him to deny abusing 4 of them, it is not a good look at all.
 
With regards to your last point, my boys are 13 and City daft. They deal with the normal City-sniping that kids and even daft adults do these days all the time. They ask me about Oil Money and Empty Seats and all that daft kiddie shit regularly and I give them ammo to give back to their armchair fan friends or internet aquaintences.

Yesterday one of them asked me about Adam Johnson, then Robinho and then asked me why all the sex offenders were from City. It broke my heart a bit because they're clearly getting hammered with this from morons. WE are now the frigging "Nonce Club".


Of course I did like any decent Dad would do and told him they were sex offenders everywhere, then told him all about Christiano Ronaldo in some detail just to hammer the point home ;-)
former chairman Martin Edwards resigned from the club in 2002 after spying on a woman in a toilet cubicle at Mottram Hall Hotel near Macclesfield.

Their bond was strengthened in 1989, when United were on what was to prove an ill-advised sunshine break in Bermuda. One night Ferguson received a telephone call from the local police telling him that one of his players, Clayton Blackmore, had been arrested on the strength of an allegation, subsequently dropped, of rape. Ferguson would later remark that Watkins, who accompanied him to the station in Hamilton, “excelled himself in that emergency, working non-stop to secure Clayton’ s release”.
 
Havent read this thread today so I guess something like this has been posted.
I only heard abit of the Jeremy Vine radio show, but it seemed that people were very pleased that the lionesses won 20-nil.

A very different take on a 9-nil victory we were seen as Neanderthals !!

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What's a strange take?

The bit about having a paedo give evidence on your behalf in court?

Do you really think that is a good look?

But as it happens somebody explained it was not City's doing but the insurance people and the abused men had refused City's compo offer on legal advice.

But I still stand by the fact getting a paedo that supposedly abused these boys to give evidence and btw another chance for him to deny abusing 4 of them, it is not a good look at all.
Not a good look at all, but that is beside the point. The lawyers must give best advice and the insurers have shareholders. If between them it was clear that the case was best served by calling this witness, their duty was to do so.
 
Forgive my ignorance but were all these litigants offered compensation by City and turned it down or does that just apply to some of them? Were any refused a payment by the compensation scheme?
 
Forgive my ignorance but were all these litigants offered compensation by City and turned it down or does that just apply to some of them? Were any refused a payment by the compensation scheme?
Based on Petrusha's post it would appear the redress scheme covered all the known victims. The eight involved now were advised they had a case for 'special damages' in respect of lost and/or diminished potential career and therefore earnings. Presumably they were identified as those most likely to succeed but we don't know by whom.
 
Forgive my ignorance but were all these litigants offered compensation by City and turned it down or does that just apply to some of them? Were any refused a payment by the compensation scheme?
My understanding was that a general pool of money was set aside or will be set aside and those that can demonstrate that they have been abused would receive an award. The current claimant’s don’t fall under the period when Bennel was linked to the club. Others may know better but I would I have assumed if the claimant’s were led to believing Bennel was the Scout of City they have an action. They have gone after City as more generous civil awards. Surely if they have suffered abused there are other government routes to getto the compensation.
 
Ah yeah, tbh this is the only article I have seen that claims City knew what was going on.

Unless they were told its a nothing claim hence they didn't do anything.

Soon see of course
I reckon there are a lot of accusations thrown at players that we don't get to hear about - whether legitimate or someone trying to get a few quid; it maybe impossible to suspend or declare a player "injured" with every accusation - I guess the key question is, at what point did city understand the severity of the charge and likelihood of guilt.
 
PSG.

Press box.

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Hmmmmm so typical and to script again. The media fraternity don’t seem too happy that a due process is being followed by City!
 
Based on Petrusha's post it would appear the redress scheme covered all the known victims. The eight involved now were advised they had a case for 'special damages' in respect of lost and/or diminished potential career and therefore earnings. Presumably they were identified as those most likely to succeed but we don't know by whom.
Cheers.
 
My understanding was that a general pool of money was set aside or will be set aside and those that can demonstrate that they have been abused would receive an award. The current claimant’s don’t fall under the period when Bennel was linked to the club. Others may know better but I would I have assumed if the claimant’s were led to believing Bennel was the Scout of City they have an action. They have gone after City as more generous civil awards. Surely if they have suffered abused there are other government routes to getto the compensation.
Thanks.
 
Taylor's piece in The Athletic and his tweets today are rather one-sided and simplistic, though I don't think he's deliberately setting out to give a biased account to MCFC's detriment. They just show the problems of someone reporting on legal proceedings without a full understanding of the technicalities of what they're commenting on.

Now, he's right that the claimants' QC objected to the club's assertion that its being named as defendant was purely a "technicality". The QC is also right that this was a poor choice of words on the club's part. MCFC is the defendant as it was allegedly negligent to the point that such negligence facilitated the abuse of the claimants by Bennell and without it, no one would be there in court.

But the fact remains: MCFC HAS NO SAY IN HOW THESE PROCEEDINGS ARE BEING CONDUCTED. When you take out insurance, you enter into a contractual relationship with the insurance company such that, in return for it footing the bill when an insured event occurs, it has sole discretion in settling any relevant third-party claims and having absolute discretion in the handling of any litigation arising.

As I said in the other thread this morning, it's the same situation as would occur if you or I were an insured driver in a traffic accident and the matter ended up being litigated. We'd be contractually bound to let the insurers handle that litigation however they wished to, whether or not we actually approved of it. For example, we might, if we were a defendant and the claimant had suffered horrific injuries, baulk at the insurers' lawyers deciding to lambast the claimant's reputation as part of the defence. We couldn't stop them, though.

So, people may ask, City are absolutely minted and why, therefore, don't they dispense with the insurance company and just reach a settlement with the claimants in the current case? Well, City set up a compensation scheme for victims of abuse by Bennell (and others). It made offers to these claimants under the scheme based on the best assessments of the amounts that could reasonably have been awarded in each individual case had the matter gone to court.

THESE CLAIMANTS REJECTED THOSE OFFERS. Advised by a single law firm, the men in question are seeking far higher levels of damages based on a factor that's never been taken into account in a comparable football-related case. What, then, are City supposed to do? Just go ahead and make these guys go away by stumping up what they've asked for? That would betray everyone else who's gone under the claims and reached settlements in good faith.

No, what anyone would quite reasonably do in the club's position is handle the matter as it would be dealt with in comparable circumstances in any other industry in the real world. If it doesn't consider the claims reasonable, why should it pay them up when they seem contrary to our own and other clubs' recent settlements in this area. Unfortunately, that means involving the insurers and the case being litigated, which is adversarial by its nature and thus can be cruel.

Of course, the claimants are entitled to sue City in the civil courts if they're unhappy with the offer from the scheme. And I think it's pretty reprehensible that the insurers' lawyers have called Barry Bennell to give evidence, which seems to have included him trashing the claimants and must be extremely traumatic for them. But CITY CAN'T COMMENT ON THAT OR REITERATE APOLOGIES WHILE THE CASE IS ONGOING, or they'd likely be contractually liable to the insurers.

I'm sure the club wishes in all sincerity that Bennell hadn't given evidence as it's been a PR disaster for MCFC despite no reasonable course of action being available to them whereby they're able to stop it. It might be nice to see reporting that was a bit more nuanced in that respect. As it is, the club will face a hammering in the media for something it couldn't really have prevented.

Unfortunately, we'd better get used to it. Benjamin Mendy will go on trial towards the end of January and we didn't suspend him despite knowing he was being investigated for rape. Now, I suspect there were legal constraints which shaped that decision, too, and the club's stance is at least arguable. But I expect we'll face a lot of criticism that doesn't even stop to consider the point.


Do you know whether City have conceded that they were vicariously responsible for Bennell?
Were the claimants all with junior teams connected to City?
I think Bennell was certainly in paid employment with Crewe yet no claims have been brought against them.
Establishing potential loss of earnings as a footballer and what level junior players might reach is not an easy job for the talent scouts and coaches let alone for a judge.
It's an interesting case but one l wish we weren't involved in.
 
But I still stand by the fact getting a paedo that supposedly abused these boys to give evidence and btw another chance for him to deny abusing 4 of them, it is not a good look at all.
Fully agree Alf. That scumbag is acting as a witness on behalf of Manchester City. Whilst pages of detailed explanations could justify why this the case - the reality is that few if any will look that far. And our enemies in the media are given the perfect weapon with which to attack. It astonishes me that we did not anticipate and take action to avoid this.
 
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