Media Thread - 2021/22

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Great post. Here's what he said:



I didn't agree with the "vast majority" comment. I do agree there are some fans who will look for negatives in everything. We see that on here when someone complains about a piece someone has written, but most of us struggle to see what the problem is. But I'd say that at least 80% of coverage of City isn't fair or balanced. So 20% (at most) definitely isn't a "vast majority".

I certainly don't expect balance from the likes of United Stand or Anfield Wrap. I do expect it from the mainstream sports pages but you get the likes of Delaney, the smug middle-class racists in the Guardian, Herbert & Nick Harris in the Mail, Rob Harris at the Press Association and people like Syed at the times. It's not just that the coverage isn't fair and balanced, it's hateful.


Dave is one of the reasons I ended up doing 93.20. He inspires me. But that thread is a load of cobblers. I’ve heard him say similar things on Bluemoon and I always feel a bit disappointed. We are absolutely treated like shit as a club and punched down on as a supporter base. Worse than any other club (barring maybe Newcastle in future).
 
I'm guessing that the journalist involved was at the Guardian at that time, probably the same one I had a conversation with some years after that 2008 game. You'd probably be a bit shocked, like I was, at the real story behind those stories alleging City fans would disrupt the silence.
I suspected at the time that it came from within united and that they asked to play us that day specifically for that purpose.
 
Dave is one of the reasons I ended up doing 93.20. He inspires me. But that thread is a load of cobblers. I’ve heard him say similar things on Bluemoon and I always feel a bit disappointed. We are absolutely treated like shit as a club and punched down on as a supporter base. Worse than any other club (barring maybe Newcastle in future).
The vast majority of media coverage of us is fair?

Jesus wept!

Is he on the wind up? I can only imagine he's getting paid a top dollar and the anti city brigade have brainwashed him.

Why on earth has he tweeted that in the first place?

Very odd.
 
Dave is one of the reasons I ended up doing 93.20. He inspires me. But that thread is a load of cobblers. I’ve heard him say similar things on Bluemoon and I always feel a bit disappointed. We are absolutely treated like shit as a club and punched down on as a supporter base. Worse than any other club (barring maybe Newcastle in future).
Bait and switch. Relentlessly troll and prod the club and the fanbase, then clutch their pearls and play the ‘touchy/weaponised’City fans card when they get some back.
Then followed by a round of backslapping from redshirt fans who are their ultimate target audience, along with their fellow shitposter hacks.
An embarrassment to the profession.
You couldn’t get a clearer example of gaslighting and anyone who still thinks this doesn’t go on is deluded
 
The vast majority of media coverage of us is fair?

Jesus wept!

Is he on the wind up? I can only imagine he's getting paid a top dollar and the anti city brigade have brainwashed him.

Why on earth has he tweeted that in the first place?

Very odd.
He has a long way to go before to gets anywhere near the poster Frank? Sinatra who used immediately jump to in to tell any blue who had the temerity to suggest City were not getting a fair crack of the whip that they were wrong.
I don't know whether he has changed his mind or just taken his custom elsewhere but he was amazing in the zeal of his mistaken views.
 
We know each other. You're a really nice guy and absolutely a City fan. The podcast is very professional and you obviously put a lot of work into it. It's what BBC Radio Manchester's Blue Tuesday should have been in fact.

But we've all said daft things at times, me included, and on Twitter I challenged your claim that the "vast majority" of coverage is fair and balanced. Of course not everything written about us is based on a negative agenda but I think quite a lot is.

I don't think it is fair and balanced in many areas and I've been one of the people trying to provide that balance over the last 10 years. None of the coverage of FFP/CAS was fair and balanced, as none of the journalists reporting on it took any trouble to understand the issues or the regulations. Whereas people like me, Stefan and others did have a detailed understanding of them. Did you ask either of us on the podcast to provide that balance?

I know Adam Crafton well, and as with you, would never get personal but that had material inaccuracies in it about our FFP case. It could also be read in a number of ways, depending on your starting position, but I thought that it showed the exceptional and genius strategy behind our commercial arrangements.

It's a regular feature of most televised games of ours, particularly against what we'll call the less well financed clubs, that the cost of the squad is highlighted against that of the opposition. Yet it's never done for clubs like united or Chelsea. These aren't isolated incidents are they?

You made some false claims about things that had been discussed at City Matters, about away tickets, without knowing the background and, as the representative of seasoncard holders, I messaged Richard offering to come on and discuss our thinking and correct what you'd said, which he ignored. That's when I stopped listening to Blue Moon podcast and I'm questioning whether you yourself really know what 'fair and balanced' is.

I remembered something else last night. Your and I were at a Football Writers Festival event a few years ago. I think you were on the panel, along with Oli Kay and Paul Lake among others. The subject was young players, as Kay had just published his book on Adrian Dougherty. Afterwards, Kay, yourself, myself and the Lakes were chatting and we got onto the subject of how the media operates. Kay was at The Times then and talked about what motivates the media. I always remember he said that he could write the greatest piece he'd ever written but if it didn't get enough clicks, then he would get his arse kicked by his editor.

That was The Times, not the Mail or other populist paper. We've seen it at the Guardian where the starting point is an almost racist hatred of our owner and his country. It's all about clicks, not balance. The question is, how many individual 'specific articles or items' does it take to indicate a pattern?

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We know each other. You're a really nice guy and absolutely a City fan. The podcast is very professional and you obviously put a lot of work into it. It's what BBC Radio Manchester's Blue Tuesday should have been in fact.

But we've all said daft things at times, me included, and on Twitter I challenged your claim that the "vast majority" of coverage is fair and balanced. Of course not everything written about us is based on a negative agenda but I think quite a lot is.

I don't think it is fair and balanced in many areas and I've been one of the people trying to provide that balance over the last 10 years. None of the coverage of FFP/CAS was fair and balanced, as none of the journalists reporting on it took any trouble to understand the issues or the regulations. Whereas people like me, Stefan and others did have a detailed understanding of them. Did you ask either of us on the podcast to provide that balance?

I know Adam Crafton well, and as with you, would never get personal but that had material inaccuracies in it about our FFP case. It could also be read in a number of ways, depending on your starting position, but I thought that it showed the exceptional and genius strategy behind our commercial arrangements.

It's a regular feature of most televised games of ours, particularly against what we'll call the less well financed clubs, that the cost of the squad is highlighted against that of the opposition. Yet it's never done for clubs like united or Chelsea. These aren't isolated incidents are they?

You made some false claims about things that had been discussed at City Matters, about away tickets, without knowing the background and, as the representative of seasoncard holders, I messaged Richard offering to come on and discuss our thinking and correct what you'd said, which he ignored. That's when I stopped listening to Blue Moon podcast and I'm questioning whether you yourself really know what 'fair and balanced' is.

I remembered something else last night. Your and I were at a Football Writers Festival event a few years ago. I think you were on the panel, along with Oli Kay and Paul Lake among others. The subject was young players, as Kay had just published his book on Adrian Dougherty. Afterwards, Kay, yourself, myself and the Lakes were chatting and we got onto the subject of how the media operates. Kay was at The Times then and talked about what motivates the media. I always remember he said that he could write the greatest piece he'd ever written but if it didn't get enough clicks, then he would get his arse kicked by his editor.

That was The Times, not the Mail or other populist paper. We've seen it at the Guardian where the starting point is an almost racist hatred of our owner and his country. It's all about clicks, not balance. The question is, how many individual 'specific articles or items' does it take to indicate a pattern?
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Bait and switch. Relentlessly troll and prod the club and the fanbase, then clutch their pearls and play the ‘touchy/weaponised’City fans card when they get some back.
Then followed by a round of backslapping from redshirt fans who are their ultimate target audience, along with their fellow shitposter hacks.
An embarrassment to the profession.
You couldn’t get a clearer example of gaslighting and anyone who still thinks this doesn’t go on is deluded

I feel sorry for them and I'm grateful that I don't need to earn my coin by behaving in such a low rent intellectually disingenuous fashion. Sportingintel, Crafton, Miggles, the fucking Guardian pseuds corner, they're all the same. Just upset little boys that the clubs they support aren't as good as City.

It will always come back to the fact that we changed the hierarchy of English football and they don't like it. Well, I'm arsed whether they like it or not. The more upset they get, the more I want City to continue to buy the very best to ensure our dominance continues.
 
What doesn't help our cause as fans is when we highlight any perceived slight or comparative reporting on things like the BBC website or the odd typo or incorrect reference.

This is used against us when genuine articles appear that are complete hatchet job on City.

I enjoy the Bluemoon Podcast and do find Mooney plays the Devil's Advocate well but I also know he is in the media and to have a successful career in that industry then he can't burn his bridges. You just need to look at the every journalist on a podcast defending Rob Harris for his question to Pep after the FA Cup final win.

The only reason to ask that question at that time would have been if an investigation had concluded and evidence had been found that Pep had/was receiving payments from City via another source. But there wasn't and if he thought he'd catch Pep out then he is (as we know) a fucking moron.

Crafton's article is an attack on City, we know it, he knows it, the Athletic know it. A proper investigative piece on the issue would breakdown sponsorship links at all clubs in the Premier League.

Just because we're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get us.

As an aside, I'm yet to see any quality investigative reporting on the Super League debacle and who were the instigators of it and how long it was being planned.
 
There has been pretty much zero investigative reporting on the malign influence of US owners on our game. And don’t expect it from the likes of Panja, Rory Smith or anyone at the Athletic for a start, all bought and paid for by US outlets and who coincidentally toe to line slavishly when reporting on the American owned redshirts
See the previous Chomsky video…
 
What doesn't help our cause as fans is when we highlight any perceived slight or comparative reporting on things like the BBC website or the odd typo or incorrect reference.

This is used against us when genuine articles appear that are complete hatchet job on City.

I enjoy the Bluemoon Podcast and do find Mooney plays the Devil's Advocate well but I also know he is in the media and to have a successful career in that industry then he can't burn his bridges. You just need to look at the every journalist on a podcast defending Rob Harris for his question to Pep after the FA Cup final win.

The only reason to ask that question at that time would have been if an investigation had concluded and evidence had been found that Pep had/was receiving payments from City via another source. But there wasn't and if he thought he'd catch Pep out then he is (as we know) a fucking moron.

Crafton's article is an attack on City, we know it, he knows it, the Athletic know it. A proper investigative piece on the issue would breakdown sponsorship links at all clubs in the Premier League.

Just because we're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get us.

As an aside, I'm yet to see any quality investigative reporting on the Super League debacle and who were the instigators of it and how long it was being planned.
I don't mind journalists researching and investigating City providing that they look at other football clubs. Almost every Premier League football club is owned by an oligarch and yet Manchester City seem to be the sole focus of their investigations.
 
There has been pretty much zero investigative reporting on the malign influence of US owners on our game. And don’t expect it from the likes of Panja, Rory Smith or anyone at the Athletic for a start, all bought and paid for by US outlets and who coincidentally toe to line slavishly when reporting on the American owned redshirts
See the previous Chomsky video…

Actually, if you go back two decades, the predecessors to these chumps used to say regularly that good owners put every penny they earned in profit back into the club. These new pseuds have decided to work on the capitalist principles that these poor little Yankee billionaires deserve to turn a huge profit each year and should be able to build their trophy assets' value without investing a penny beyond the purchase price.

None of this modern media narrative stands up to even the slightest bit of scrutiny.
 
Muen online headline “McAtee scores pen to do what first team can’t”. Fucking sly cunts, we lose one game in fuck knows how many and get a headline like that, our own local rag fucking loves us doesn’t it

They had an opinion piece online today from some no mark united fan with a brilliant job title ''Manchester united fan brand writer/presenter" whatever any of that means.

The headline of the article was "Manchester united could discover their own Harry Kane to destroy Pep Guardiola and Man City''. I'd imagine that's the kind of nonsense that gets posted on rag forums, but it's really pathetic stuff coming from our local paper.
 
What doesn't help our cause as fans is when we highlight any perceived slight or comparative reporting on things like the BBC website or the odd typo or incorrect reference.

This is used against us when genuine articles appear that are complete hatchet job on City.

I enjoy the Bluemoon Podcast and do find Mooney plays the Devil's Advocate well but I also know he is in the media and to have a successful career in that industry then he can't burn his bridges. You just need to look at the every journalist on a podcast defending Rob Harris for his question to Pep after the FA Cup final win.

The only reason to ask that question at that time would have been if an investigation had concluded and evidence had been found that Pep had/was receiving payments from City via another source. But there wasn't and if he thought he'd catch Pep out then he is (as we know) a fucking moron.

Crafton's article is an attack on City, we know it, he knows it, the Athletic know it. A proper investigative piece on the issue would breakdown sponsorship links at all clubs in the Premier League.

Just because we're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get us.

As an aside, I'm yet to see any quality investigative reporting on the Super League debacle and who were the instigators of it and how long it was being planned.

We're paranoid with good cause as we've suffered at least ten years of derogatory articles, untruths, slights and piss taking. Look at the Pete the Badge fiasco they brushed under the carpet for one. There have been so many it's hard to remember them all. They allow Klopp and others to constantly refer to our huge budget and the fact we can spend what we like when they all know that's not true. What happened to the investigation about United fans getting the Liverpool game called off? If we were involved it would never be out of the news until action was taken. The same applies to the Liverpool scum smashing up our team bus. There are the odd decent article but they're lost in a sea of jealous bitter bile
 
Dermot the dick as sided with us for the penalty vs Spurs.
Wow what a Coincidence that his untold wisdom came in a game where we got beat.
Why did Sly even use this incident in a comparable with the Scottish Zit not getting a red vs Leeds?

Answer... to keep our loss mainstream

Fucking wankers.
So glad Khan got beat by Brook after the shocking backing of him throughout the build up by Sly
Love it when they are left with egg on their faces.
City will do it again to them when we win the league
 
We're paranoid with good cause as we've suffered at least ten years of derogatory articles, untruths, slights and piss taking. Look at the Pete the Badge fiasco they brushed under the carpet for one. There have been so many it's hard to remember them all. They allow Klopp and others to constantly refer to our huge budget and the fact we can spend what we like when they all know that's not true. What happened to the investigation about United fans getting the Liverpool game called off? If we were involved it would never be out of the news until action was taken. The same applies to the Liverpool scum smashing up our team bus. There are the odd decent article but they're lost in a sea of jealous bitter bile
Spot on.
 
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