Media thread 2022/23

[Shaggy]

I just think it shows how irrelevant he is. I’m sure they barely know who he is, to them he’s probably just some middle aged ex pro who they’re vaguely aware appears on telly who seems a bit too desperate to appear matey with them.

Grealish, Walker, Foden et al know who he is

 

[Ducado]

I've spent an obscene amount of time on social media and other clubs forums today revelling in our victory, and its the fans of the 3 Red clubs that are the most bitter and hostile by a country mile. And we all know why.
Surprisingly I've found a hell of a lot of praise and good wishes for our performance and a shitload of fans out there actually still like us and want us to do the treble. Had some really nice interaction with guys from Cardiff, Leicester, Coventry, Leeds, Newcastle, West ham and Wrexham to name a few. Heard stuff like " I've always liked city.....you fans deserve this success......proper fans been through the mud and still stuck with the club......etc etc

That’s my experience, the media thinks the to make money is to pander to the old cartel clubs, but collectively there are far more fans who knew what was going on and are clad City have smashed the cartel

 

[mixer]

Looks like the club might actually be starting to come out swinging....about time

Sorry if i missed post etc but did the club
release something?

 

[PoorTom]

Here we go. The Guardian is on it. Only pure bile will come out of this.

 

[EricBrooksGhost]

[QUOTE="Lupo, post: 16064339, member: 84334",] mainly in the eyes of the media.

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Fuck the media; they're not the judges of football clubs.

 

[Ithryn Luin]

Gonna Watch the FA Cup final with these guys with a few sherberts!!!!!!!

 

[stonerblue]

That was Trevor Sinclair not sweep, the pisscan hauled him off at HT it was that bad.

No, was it?

 

[Bellamy's Caddy]

Well I’ve just shared my story with them I don’t think they’ll like it though. Obviously used a pseudonym

Haha you and me both mate. I didnt share my views on City, but I did share my views on the guardian and their attempt to bait rival fans in to criticising us.

 

[Axel Freed]

Grealish, Walker, Foden et al know who he is

They’re probably not aware of the shite he comes out with tho. If it wasn’t for this thread I wouldn’t have half the enmity I have for certain journos and pundits cos I simply don’t read or watch them.

I’m sure most young men, let alone young men who are fabulously successful footballers, pay no attention to pundits whatsoever.

 

[Benzino]

Adjusted for inflation (current GBP PP), United spent £29 million to bring in Yorke in 1998, £59 million on Verón in 2001, £38 million for Ferdinand in 2002, £14.5 million for Forlán in 2002, £24 million for Ronaldo in 2003 (which, to be fair, ended up being decent business), £13.5 million for Heinze in 2004, £24 million for Saha in 2004, £15 million for Vidic in 2005, £30 million for Van Nistelrooy in 2006, £30 million on Nani and £44 million on Anderson in 2007, and £55 million on Tevez in 2008.

FFS, they paid £12 million in today’s money to bring in Bebe — £2 million less than we spent on World Cup winner Alvarez!

They’ve been “distorting the transfer market” for decades before ADUG bought City.

That’s obviously not looking at Liverpool, Chelsea, or Arsenal. And that was when—as you said—really only those four clubs could spend big. Now all PL clubs have huge budgets in comparison due to broadcasting and sponsorship money.

We’re actually dominating at a time when we have relatively speaking, less proportional financial power to the rest of the league.

Even so, “spending big” only became a problem when one of the non-cash cow clubs started doing it to catch up to the establishment.

Historically in PL transfers, the highest transfer fees on average, sit at around 10% of the total league transfer income for the year. This rule has remained quite consistent throughout the PL era. It was understandable when most teams in England would buy players off each other, but this rule remains true even now, when many buy from abroad. It gives a good indication as to what players from the past would’ve roughly cost today, and also how expensive a top player actually should be, in the current market climate right now. For example, last year, the league combined received £860M in transfer fees, the top signings Nunez was £85M, so 10% of the total received, Anthony £90M just over 10% and Enzo Fernandez came in at about 12%. Year on year there’s also a consistent trend from around 1993 that the total transfer income of the league x 2 is usually what is spent out. The league as a whole spend more money than they receive in transfers every year.

To give you some context from the past, in 1993 Utd broke the British transfer record fee for Roy Keane at around £4M. The entire league made just over £60M that year in transfers, so this deal was 8% of that total.

In 1994 a year later, Utd broke the record transfer again for Andy Cole, this time for nearly double the amount of Keane, at around £7M. But the entire league received more, and this one deal worked out at around 10% compared with the transfer income.

In 1995, Arsenal broke the record with the signing of Bergkamp for £7.5M, which was at 9% of the total. Liverpool then broke that record shortly after, with the signing of Collymore for 8.5M, which came in at 11% of the total.

In 1996, Newcastle bought Shearer for a British and world record fee of £16M. The league received around £100M in total, and this was a deal on the higher end, and worked at about 16% of the overall transfer income.

In 1997, Utd bought Henning Berg for 7.5M, which was nearly half the record price at the time, and it worked out at 5% of the total league income. Chelsea and Aston Villa had the highest individual transfers of the season, with Greame Le Saux going to Chelsea, and Stan Collymore going to Aston Villa, both worked out at 10% of the total league income.

In 1998 Utd signed Yorke for a fee of £18M, it was record money for the time, and again, it was around 9% compared to the total income.

In 2001 Utd got Veron for a record fee of £28M, it was a high price, and it was around 14% in comparison with the leagues income at the time. In todays market, we can work that out to be at about £120-£130M. They also signed Van Nistelrooy for £20M, working out at 11%, so in todays money around, £100-£110M.

In 2002, Utd broke the record fee again with Ferdinand for £30M from Leeds. The income was slightly lower this year, but this figure equated to 25% of the leagues total transfer income, which is the highest ever %. It shows you what a huge price it was. It was a ridiculous figure at the time for any player, especially a CB. To put it in perspective, today it would be around £215M. Ferdinand was a good player, but I don’t recall the media ridiculing Utd for over the top spending on this one. I checked out a few articles, and I was right, they didn’t, all they did was heap praise on him and analyse his potential. Which to be fair, is what they should do with every major signing for every club.

In 2003, they bought C.Ronaldo for £13M. We are told to marvel at the bargain price for the then 17 year old. But this was actually still 9% compared with the total that year. So it was still a high signing, today it would be around £75m-£80M for a relatively unknown teenager from Portugal. Worked out well, but only a big budget team would be able to do that, not exactly bargain shopping.

In 2004, they got Rooney for over double Ronaldo’s price at £30M, and that equated to double the %, coming in at 20%. Again, it’s at the very higher end of the scale, and suggest Utd could afford to pay double what they should to get him. In todays money, that would be £172M.

In 2006 they bought the most expensive player again, Michael Carrick came in at a figure of just below £20M which again, was 10% of the total for the year and today would cost between £100-£110M.

In 2007 they played the window slightly differently, they bought 3 players, Nani, Anderson and Hargreaves’s for a combined 20% total comparison. Instead of throwing it all into one big signing. Today that would be around £200M in signings.

In 2008 we had our takeover, so I stopped looking at them at this point and instead looked at some of our own highest transfers to see how we faired with comparison, this is what I saw:

Grealish - signed 2021 -14%
Dias - signed 2021 - 11%
Rodri - signed 2019 - 5%
Mahrez - signed 2018 - 11%.
KDB - signed 2015 - 10%
Sterling - signed 2015 - 9%
Aguero - signed 2011 - 9%
Dzeko - signed 2010 - 10%
Yaya - signed 2010 - 9%
David Silva - signed 2010 - 8%
Tevez - signed 2009 - 5%
Robinho - signed 2008 - 8%

Seems like we’re pretty good at getting players for fair market prices. I don’t see anything in this that suggests we’ve done anything too differently from any other team in the past, especially Utd. Fergusons strategy was often to sign individual players for the highest fees, and mainly from other English clubs even if it meant paying, way over the odds.

As you can see, the market value for players, correlates well with the income received. The income from transfers increases pretty much year on year. So based upon that, the income should be in the region of around £1.1 - 1.2B, next season. Meaning the top marquee signings, should probably go in the region of £110-£120M, for a fair value. This is how the inflation in football in England seems to go, and the next record transfer will be around this figure, unless a club pays over the odds.