Media thread 2022/23

[bobbyowenquiff]

Bollox. The number of times he has been tackled from behind. In fact against Leeds he was chased across the half way line by a player who tried to push him and then, a few minutes later, the same player had him by the shirt. There really is a narrative against the guy.

He is skilful at winning fouls and sometimes that can help us but sometimes he goes down blind alleys and that slows us down. I am not suggesting he isn’t sometimes hacked down by opponents or pulled back.

 

[halfcenturyup]

"Chelsea Rent Boys"

It will no doubt be sung tomorrow and reported on far differently.

Can anyone explain to me why the chant is homophobic? I have read up on "gay" media and understand the historic and cultural homosexual and prostitution reference of the Chelsea area. I also understand that several old men who wear robes and wigs have determined that the chant is homophobic. Not surprisingly.

But I can't understand why it is and struggle to see who it is that is taking offence and why? Is it homosexuals who are offended at being called homosexuals? Homosexuals who are offended at being called prostitutes? Homosexual prostitutes who are offended in some way? Or heterosexuals offended by being called homosexual prostitutes?

It's a genuine question. I am old. I don't get it and that may just be a reflection on me or my age group. But I don't think so.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

I’ve read the shortened version, talks about der speigal but reference to the CAS throwing the case out. Not like that would put a slant on why nothing has happened eh?

The Mancini claim relates to a period before FFP was introduced in the PL. There is nothing wrong with it at all. It was probably done to legally reduce his tax bill. Consultancy is not illegal and it happened 13 years ago. I wonder who the senior figures who are concerned about this? This smear campaign will never end.

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

The Mancini claim relates to a period before FFP was introduced in the PL. There is nothing wrong with it at all. It was probably done to legally reduce his tax bill. Consultancy is not illegal and it happened 13 years ago. I wonder who the senior figures who are concerned about this? This smear campaign will never end.

The longer this rumbles on the dafter it makes the Premier league look. Are they expecting new evidence to fall out of the sky for something that happened over a decade ago? I wonder how quickly the case would have been closed if it was those pesky scousers?

 

[JASR]

Martin Ziegler:

The Premier League’s investigation into alleged rule breaches by Manchester City has entered its fifth year with senior football figures believing the delay is an increasingly bad look for the English game.

A High Court judge said in July 2021 that it was “a legitimate public concern” that an investigation launched in December 2018 had made so little progress, but 18 months later it is still going on.

The Premier League launched its inquiry after documents obtained by a computer hacker were published by the German news website Der Spiegel, alleging that City’s Abu Dhabi owners made payments to the club instead of sponsors and also made secret payments to agents.

One senior figure in football has described the delays as “disgraceful”, especially at a time when an independent regulator is about to be brought into the English game. Although the regulator would not take over disciplinary functions from the leagues, clubs could land themselves in serious trouble if they provide inaccurate information to a statutory body.


City have always denied wrongdoing and their lawyers told the court in 2021 that “it may be that no charges will ever be brought”.

Last May, Der Spiegel published City’s contract with Roberto Mancini, their manager from 2009 to 2013, detailing how more than half of his basic salary was paid to his company via a consultancy contract with the Abu Dhabi-based club Al Jazira.

After the leaks, City overturned a Champions League ban imposed by Uefa, as many of the alleged offences were time-barred, but no such time restriction operates in the Premier League.

The July 2021 court ruling revealed that City had lost a challenge over an arbitration panel’s right to hear the case and had been obliged to hand over documents.

lol time-barred. As ever the many multiple instances of 'no evidence' in the CAS statement are missed off from the continued after-the-fact reporting

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

The longer this rumbles on the dafter it makes the Premier league look. Are they expecting new evidence to fall out of the sky for something that happened over a decade ago? I wonder how quickly the case would have been closed if it was those pesky scousers?

Closed against the dippers ?

Would never have opened in the first place .

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

The longer this rumbles on the dafter it makes the Premier league look. Are they expecting new evidence to fall out of the sky for something that happened over a decade ago? I wonder how quickly the case would have been closed if it was those pesky scousers?

There is no evidence. That’s why CAS dismissed the case immediately and drastically reduced our sanction for non-co-operation. The story here is who are the “senior figures in football” who are still negatively briefing the Times? And what is their motive?

 

[Inter Me Nan]

Martin Ziegler:

The Premier League’s investigation into alleged rule breaches by Manchester City has entered its fifth year with senior football figures believing the delay is an increasingly bad look for the English game.

A High Court judge said in July 2021 that it was “a legitimate public concern” that an investigation launched in December 2018 had made so little progress, but 18 months later it is still going on.

The Premier League launched its inquiry after documents obtained by a computer hacker were published by the German news website Der Spiegel, alleging that City’s Abu Dhabi owners made payments to the club instead of sponsors and also made secret payments to agents.

One senior figure in football has described the delays as “disgraceful”, especially at a time when an independent regulator is about to be brought into the English game. Although the regulator would not take over disciplinary functions from the leagues, clubs could land themselves in serious trouble if they provide inaccurate information to a statutory body.


City have always denied wrongdoing and their lawyers told the court in 2021 that “it may be that no charges will ever be brought”.

Last May, Der Spiegel published City’s contract with Roberto Mancini, their manager from 2009 to 2013, detailing how more than half of his basic salary was paid to his company via a consultancy contract with the Abu Dhabi-based club Al Jazira.

After the leaks, City overturned a Champions League ban imposed by Uefa, as many of the alleged offences were time-barred, but no such time restriction operates in the Premier League.

The July 2021 court ruling revealed that City had lost a challenge over an arbitration panel’s right to hear the case and had been obliged to hand over documents.

Oh Martin, my sweet summer child.

 

[hammocity]

The longer this rumbles on the dafter it makes the Premier league look. Are they expecting new evidence to fall out of the sky for something that happened over a decade ago? I wonder how quickly the case would have been closed if it was those pesky scousers?

Or those naughty Chavs who propped up their club with an interest free 1.6b loan that has been written off and replaced with an 800m loan to spend on players, effectively circumventing FFP rules.

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

There is no evidence. That’s why CAS dismissed the case immediately and drastically reduced our sanction for non-co-operation. The story here is who are the “senior figures in football” who are still negatively briefing the Times? And what is their motive?

Not one journalist has raised the point that a corrupt organisation like Uefa guided by major clubs in Europe and the premier league set out to destroy a football club because of their jealousy at what has been created at City. They tried to do this with illegally obtained information that held no weight in an independent court of law.

 

[blueinsa]

Fenway sports and Liverpool FC been on the phone again I see lol

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

Can anyone explain to me why the chant is homophobic? I have read up on "gay" media and understand the historic and cultural homosexual and prostitution reference of the Chelsea area. I also understand that several old men who wear robes and wigs have determined that the chant is homophobic. Not surprisingly.

But I can't understand why it is and struggle to see who it is that is taking offence and why? Is it homosexuals who are offended at being called homosexuals? Homosexuals who are offended at being called prostitutes? Homosexual prostitutes who are offended in some way? Or heterosexuals offended by being called homosexual prostitutes?

It's a genuine question. I am old. I don't get it and that may just be a reflection on me or my age group. But I don't think so.

I always thought it was sung in reference to some of the Chelsea headhunters top boys either being gay or being caught with male prostitutes. The inference being that you can’t be all macho and a thug if you are gay hence why it’s homophobic.

 

[Stephen230]

I received 4 increasingly aggressive letters, each strongly implying that they would prosecute me for not having a tv licence.
I just ignored them as I wasn’t watching tv in the old house, but they were so threatening that I could see why a lot of people would fold and pay them regardless

I’m on about letter 12 now in their catalogue of increasingly strongly worded threats, about eight months after moving into a new place.

I quite look forward to them now. As apart from City away tickets, they’re just about the only mail I get these days. And I’m intrigued as to how they get more threatening in letters 13+ without resorting to threats of actual physical violence.

 

[HelloCity]

The CAS win is on par with the Gillingham win in terms of the impact it had on our future. Probably bigger in many ways.

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

Fenway sports and Liverpool FC been on the phone again I see lol

They want their money off any potential buyer, City at any disadvantage would get them more cash.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Not one journalist has raised the point that a corrupt organisation like Uefa guided by major clubs in Europe and the premier league set out to destroy a football club because of their jealousy at what has been created at City. They tried to do this with illegally obtained information that held no weight in an independent court of law.

Ziegler's anti-City story is published today 24 hours after a summit meeting between the senior figures at the FA, PL and EFL to discuss key issues in the game (to try and ward off pressure from the proposed new Regulator).
Ziegler will have spoken off the record to some of these "senior figures" to get an angle for today's paper and most of them (not all) will have been discrete and careful in what they said.
The list of attendees was: Debbie Hewitt (FA Chair); Mark Bullingham (FA CEO); Alison Brittain (new PL Chair); Richard Masters (PL CEO); Trevor Birch (EFL CEO); and RICK PARRY (EFL Chair)
I am struggling to think who was the source for Ziegler's latest negative City story was. It's very difficult to work out because these sports hacks are so clever at concealing their sources.

 

[Spurs quarter 69]

They want their money off any potential buyer, City at any disadvantage would get them more cash.

They are in despair, having to deal with a resurgent Arsenal, nited and moneybags Newcastle as well as us they are further away from their 80s dominance than ever and they don't like it.

 

[laserblue]

Ziegler's anti-City story is published today 24 hours after a summit meeting between the senior figures at the FA, PL and EFL to discuss key issues in the game (to try and ward off pressure from the proposed new Regulator).
Ziegler will have spoken off the record to some of these "senior figures" to get an angle for today's paper and most of them (not all) will have been discrete and careful in what they said.
The list of attendees was: Debbie Hewitt (FA Chair); Mark Bullingham (FA CEO); Alison Brittain (new PL Chair); Richard Masters (PL CEO); Trevor Birch (EFL CEO); and RICK PARRY (EFL Chair)
I am struggling to think who was the source for Ziegler's latest negative City story was. It's very difficult to work out because these sports hacks are so clever at concealing their sources.

It's not like Parry has previous for that sort of thing as AP and the NYT would be quick to confirm....

 

[Devil's Advocate]

Ziegler's anti-City story is published today 24 hours after a summit meeting between the senior figures at the FA, PL and EFL to discuss key issues in the game (to try and ward off pressure from the proposed new Regulator).
Ziegler will have spoken off the record to some of these "senior figures" to get an angle for today's paper and most of them (not all) will have been discrete and careful in what they said.
The list of attendees was: Debbie Hewitt (FA Chair); Mark Bullingham (FA CEO); Alison Brittain (new PL Chair); Richard Masters (PL CEO); Trevor Birch (EFL CEO); and RICK PARRY (EFL Chair)
I am struggling to think who was the source for Ziegler's latest negative City story was. It's very difficult to work out because these sports hacks are so clever at concealing their sources.

I'd bet on his nothing quote as just being made up. In a no news cycle I'd suggest it is more a case of him finding something to fill a few column inches. In fact, just listened to the Panja/Harris/Ziegler pod and they were setting their stall out for the big stories in football for 2023 involving UEFA, FIFA, football regulator in England etc and Panja in his normal sarcastic tone asked Ziegler about an independent regulator and brought City and into the discussion.

Ziegler spends a lot of his time in hotel lobbies for meetings of this type searching for info and usually on the pod he talks about the meetings he attends. No mention this week that he attended this summit so just a case of re-hasing his previous shit. The article itself from the Times is pure BS full of the usual innuendo and outright factually incorrect on at least 5 counts.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Funny you should think that as I have a small tale about the reporters covering City. A few years ago we played Juventus and the plane was due to leave after the game. For reasons I cant remember our plane had to wait to the following day. City arranged for everybody to get back to Turin and laid on a meal in a restaurant. I was sat at a long table with all the reporters, next to Simon Mullock who I had a good chat with. The others all looked as though it was an insult to them that a fan was sat amongst them and avoided all eye contact and I think if I had tried to talk to them they would have ignored me anyway. They came across as arrogant snobs, now it could just be me they didn't like, its happened before once or twice or even more than that. ;-)
But I agree with your post, with the exception of Simon Mullock, horrible people.

I love being in the company of people like that and making them feel even more uncomfortable.