Memphis Depay

[pudge]

Do you mean advocating signing Aaron Lennon or Ashley Young or Josh McEachran or Niko Kranjcar or Charlie Adam to back up Silva or maybe you're referring to that dazzling eye for young talent that led him to believe a 20 year old Gareth Bale wasn't worth the hype and would fizzle out

Awwwh what? Come on Pudge! if you are going to dredge up history, it'd be great if you do it with a modicum of honesty and present the claims in its true context.

I did not 'advocate' signing Lennon or Young - I simply said at the time that they were a couple of the only gettable English players I'd consider because they had something we lacked at the time "pure speed!" I.e. My point being that we consider at the time English players who played a continental style such as, yes Wilshere and Mceachran or players with blazing speed such as Lennon or Young. And yes I'd definitely had taken Lennon as a replacement for SWP. Again increasing speed on the wings was the context, and English players I'd consider for it.

As for Adams and Kranjar ( even though I don't remember advocating for either) both were technical players with a pass on them, Silva sometimes got injured (I can see how I could have Advocated acquiring them as backups.) The real question is this, who were City's creative backups at the time? But I'd like to see the quotes in its true context.

And as for Bale, come on dude, If you search my comments on Bale, there close to 90 of them - 95% of those constitutes me pinning for Bale in every way I could, yet you quote the one time I comment on his "Hype". A comment I prefaced by saying "I don't know why, and have no basis for feeling this way" (I.e what I see suggests otherwise) "but I Think the Bale hype would fizzle out." You conveniently ignore the preface, ignore 95% of comments that stated the absolute support for acquiring Bale time and time again, but conveniently cherry pick a quote, about the "hype" around Bale, and state it as my position. That is just low. Pure and simple.

Sorry man, but that's cheap.



Glad we dodged that bullet.

Or even perhaps it was wanting to sign Fernando a year earlier, or the walking calamity that is Vertonghen or the can't defend to save his life David Luiz.

Again, No! I wanted Cabaye, City was interested in Fernando, sure he is a good shout, but not my choice. But I'm sure you knew that but chose to conveniently ignore it. Probably conveniently ignored my being unpleased with paying starter money for a backup ( I.e what I considered Fernando).

As for David Luiz? Absolutely! Hands upI wanted him here, when he was at Benfica, watched him at Chelsea, ignored the English media narrative, and concluded he'd be a stud here. My opinion hasn't changed on that. PSG paid 50 million for him to come start for them. And he has been solid. So yeah, on Luiz you got me. And while many here don't respect his game, his performances disagrees with them.

As for Vertonghen, wasn't he Prem first 11 the season after I cried we should get him? Wait let me see who we had in that period: Toure, Lescott, Savic, Boyata... Sure I am the idiot for wanting a perm 11 player over those backups.

Every young player, and transfer in general, is a gamble to an extent; some pan out, some don't fair enough. So it's not as easy to say "sign x, y and z and we're set for the next 10 years" is it? So perhaps it is better to allow for a little more time.

Dax clearly watches the Eredivisie and knows about Depay that's fine, I'm not arguing that. It's the previous posters advocating for 5 players from 5 different teams playing Football Manager that's the thing.

I take it I can tell my secretary to cancel our meeting? Or better yet just get shot of her so long as you're stalking my posts.

The rest I agree. Sounds more like the sensible Pudge :)[/quote]

I admit reading that back it comes across as cheap shot after cheap shot, however, I can say my intention was to bring it full circle to that last point; it's not as easy as just saying sign so and so.

The majority of those were from memory so again I admit the context may be incorrect (however I remember the Adam one well) but again it's the idea of numerous names getting floated around with little substance.

You clearly are universal in your watching of football and your opinion on most will be an informed opinion but like I said at the end, it's when new lineups for next season have 6/7 new players crop up after a back page article on a player and all of a sudden poster clamour for x, y and z when they never even whispered their name prior to a tweet.

By all means, those who have seen Depay etc I would love to hear about his attributes both positive and negative. From the little I've seen of him he seems quite direct (something we lack) but perhaps takes on a bit too much in trying to do it all. Obviously has an eye for goal but is he helped by being one of if not PSV's main guy and how would that translate going to a club like us as opposed to say Spurs where he would certainly be a mainstay in the team.

There's a difference in saying and asking that to me saying "Sign him and these other blokes we're linked with and we're sorted"

I don't want to sound like I'm picking on him but posters were salivating at our defensive prowess last summer when we were signing Fernando and Mangala and they've not exactly done much to merit that. Probably because many just got caught up in signing a player and watching youtube videos.

EDIT: the quoting's been messed up, apologies.

 

[CityFan94]

Unbelievably talented young player.

He'd give us a completely different dimension to our counter attacks.

Probably wouldn't be my first choice winger in the summer, but he should be on the shortlist.

 

[Dax777]

I admit reading that back it comes across as cheap shot after cheap shot, however, I can say my intention was to bring it full circle to that last point; it's not as easy as just saying sign so and so.

The majority of those were from memory so again I admit the context may be incorrect (however I remember the Adam one well) but again it's the idea of numerous names getting floated around with little substance.

You clearly are universal in your watching of football and your opinion on most will be an informed opinion but like I said at the end, it's when new lineups for next season have 6/7 new players crop up after a back page article on a player and all of a sudden poster clamour for x, y and z when they never even whispered their name prior to a tweet.

By all means, those who have seen Depay etc I would love to hear about his attributes both positive and negative. From the little I've seen of him he seems quite direct (something we lack) but perhaps takes on a bit too much in trying to do it all. Obviously has an eye for goal but is he helped by being one of if not PSV's main guy and how would that translate going to a club like us as opposed to say Spurs where he would certainly be a mainstay in the team.

There's a difference in saying and asking that to me saying "Sign him and these other blokes we're linked with and we're sorted"

I don't want to sound like I'm picking on him but posters were salivating at our defensive prowess last summer when we were signing Fernando and Mangala and they've not exactly done much to merit that. Probably because many just got caught up in signing a player and watching youtube videos.

EDIT: the quoting's been messed up, apologies.

I agree, its quite possible many often get caught up in the ecstasy of a new signing. And sure that doesn't always work. But often we burn ourselves.

Let's use the 2 main signing for example: Mangala, while many loved it, I opposed it in the summer. Railed against it as being silly. For what seemed like obvious reasons at the time: 1 we had 2 very good starters ( at least we thought), a good backup in Nasty and youngvup and comers in Denayer and Rekik. Simply put, we didn't need a CB at the time, and he wasn't a sure thing. There are enough people, myself included who argued he was inconsistent at Porto. So why throw so much money on a position we didn't have a need in, and a player who clearly was at best a 2 year project.

As for Fernando, I always wanted Cabaye over Fernando- Not because I thought Fernando was going to be as poor as he was, but because it was cleat, from , watching his games and even his YouTube's that he wasn't an around CM.

Many often listed him after his arrival in a possible midfield 3 with Dihno and Yaya. The reason why that opinion was popular was coz intuitively, many realized his limitations as an all round midfielder. So when MP chose to go with 2 strikers as he often does, the problem was self evident.

Any as for Depay, he may not be the best Winger in the world, but he is far more direct than most of what we have. Also a tad faster and stronger. So it should not be a surprise that many would Luke here. He offers something we've been pinning for for 5 years now.

And when we don't get him or someone of that ilk, we'd be here nnext year pinning over the next speed dribbler out there: Karim Bellarabi?

 

[KenTheLandlord]

I admit reading that back it comes across as cheap shot after cheap shot, however, I can say my intention was to bring it full circle to that last point; it's not as easy as just saying sign so and so.

The majority of those were from memory so again I admit the context may be incorrect (however I remember the Adam one well) but again it's the idea of numerous names getting floated around with little substance.

You clearly are universal in your watching of football and your opinion on most will be an informed opinion but like I said at the end, it's when new lineups for next season have 6/7 new players crop up after a back page article on a player and all of a sudden poster clamour for x, y and z when they never even whispered their name prior to a tweet.

By all means, those who have seen Depay etc I would love to hear about his attributes both positive and negative. From the little I've seen of him he seems quite direct (something we lack) but perhaps takes on a bit too much in trying to do it all. Obviously has an eye for goal but is he helped by being one of if not PSV's main guy and how would that translate going to a club like us as opposed to say Spurs where he would certainly be a mainstay in the team.

There's a difference in saying and asking that to me saying "Sign him and these other blokes we're linked with and we're sorted"

I don't want to sound like I'm picking on him but posters were salivating at our defensive prowess last summer when we were signing Fernando and Mangala and they've not exactly done much to merit that. Probably because many just got caught up in signing a player and watching youtube videos.

EDIT: the quoting's been messed up, apologies.

I agree, its quite possible many often get caught up in the ecstasy of a new signing. And sure that doesn't always work. But often we burn ourselves.

Let's use the 2 main signing for example: Mangala, while many loved it, I opposed it in the summer. Railed against it as being silly. For what seemed like obvious reasons at the time: 1 we had 2 very good starters ( at least we thought), a good backup in Nasty and youngvup and comers in Denayer and Rekik. Simply put, we didn't need a CB at the time, and he wasn't a sure thing. There are enough people, myself included who argued he was inconsistent at Porto. So why throw so much money on a position we didn't have a need in, and a player who clearly was at best a 2 year project.

As for Fernando, I always wanted Cabaye over Fernando- Not because I thought Fernando was going to be as poor as he was, but because it was cleat, from , watching his games and even his YouTube's that he wasn't an around CM.

Many often listed him after his arrival in a possible midfield 3 with Dihno and Yaya. The reason why that opinion was popular was coz intuitively, many realized his limitations as an all round midfielder. So when MP chose to go with 2 strikers as he often does, the problem was self evident.

Any as for Depay, he may not be the best Winger in the world, but he is far more direct than most of what we have. Also a tad faster and stronger. So it should not be a surprise that many would Luke here. He offers something we've been pinning for for 5 years now.

And when we don't get him or someone of that ilk, we'd be here nnext year pinning over the next speed dribbler out there: Karim Bellarabi?

Bloody hell, he is an old man by your usual pre-pubescent recommendations.

There is another lad at the same club i would hope City are watching and that is Hakan Calhanoglu. He has had a more than steady couple of years in the Bundesliga and is starting to get in the scoring and assisting bracket. The bonus ball being he can take a set piece,

If we look at where City need some cover or younger players i would suggest the latest of the Valencian left back production line, José Luis Gayá. He has had a very consistent season and is also starting to contribute to the goals. His defending has really picked up the last few months.

Back to Germany and having seen Nastasic twice recently he is doing more than ok, i really have no idea why he was frozen out, there are no footballing reasons he should have been. Even in BVB's demolition of S04 he was far from the most embarrassing out there. Ok he was skinned by Gündogan before he slung a great cross for Mkhitaryan to score but hey, he is young and will recover.

Co-incidently the next player could an opponent of Nastasic's on Saturday, the Hoffenheim centre back Niklas Süle. Not seen him this year, since the winter break, not sure if rested or injured but the lad can play and some of his tackles will make you wince.

Memphis Depay is nailed on if we are to be serious going forward and with him being in the Eredivisie he would certainly be cheaper than the overpriced and overheated Primeira Liga.

Other lads in that league would be Arkadiusz Milik at Ajax or rather on loan from Leverkusen (what is it with them recently?), Daley Sinkgraven at Heerenveen, Terry Kongolo at Feyenoord (lets hope his brother puts in a word) and his defensive partner Sven van Beek.

Two others would be Aymeric Laporte at Athletic Bilbao and Nice's Jordan Amavi.

Clearly not all of them but two or three should set us up for a good while and for not much more than Mangala.

 

[supercity88]

I hope we don't sign him. He doesn't fit our style, he's direct yes but he's not good enough to start every game for us, his confidence will then drop and he'll just be quick and not a lot else. I don't believe he is as talented as he looks - the standard of defending in the Dutch league is appalling. Rekik could take a chair and sit and watch for most of PSV's games he has that little to do.

 

[Dax777]

I admit reading that back it comes across as cheap shot after cheap shot, however, I can say my intention was to bring it full circle to that last point; it's not as easy as just saying sign so and so.

The majority of those were from memory so again I admit the context may be incorrect (however I remember the Adam one well) but again it's the idea of numerous names getting floated around with little substance.

You clearly are universal in your watching of football and your opinion on most will be an informed opinion but like I said at the end, it's when new lineups for next season have 6/7 new players crop up after a back page article on a player and all of a sudden poster clamour for x, y and z when they never even whispered their name prior to a tweet.

By all means, those who have seen Depay etc I would love to hear about his attributes both positive and negative. From the little I've seen of him he seems quite direct (something we lack) but perhaps takes on a bit too much in trying to do it all. Obviously has an eye for goal but is he helped by being one of if not PSV's main guy and how would that translate going to a club like us as opposed to say Spurs where he would certainly be a mainstay in the team.

There's a difference in saying and asking that to me saying "Sign him and these other blokes we're linked with and we're sorted"

I don't want to sound like I'm picking on him but posters were salivating at our defensive prowess last summer when we were signing Fernando and Mangala and they've not exactly done much to merit that. Probably because many just got caught up in signing a player and watching youtube videos.

EDIT: the quoting's been messed up, apologies.

I agree, its quite possible many often get caught up in the ecstasy of a new signing. And sure that doesn't always work. But often we burn ourselves.

Let's use the 2 main signing for example: Mangala, while many loved it, I opposed it in the summer. Railed against it as being silly. For what seemed like obvious reasons at the time: 1 we had 2 very good starters ( at least we thought), a good backup in Nasty and youngvup and comers in Denayer and Rekik. Simply put, we didn't need a CB at the time, and he wasn't a sure thing. There are enough people, myself included who argued he was inconsistent at Porto. So why throw so much money on a position we didn't have a need in, and a player who clearly was at best a 2 year project.

As for Fernando, I always wanted Cabaye over Fernando- Not because I thought Fernando was going to be as poor as he was, but because it was cleat, from , watching his games and even his YouTube's that he wasn't an around CM.

Many often listed him after his arrival in a possible midfield 3 with Dihno and Yaya. The reason why that opinion was popular was coz intuitively, many realized his limitations as an all round midfielder. So when MP chose to go with 2 strikers as he often does, the problem was self evident.

Any as for Depay, he may not be the best Winger in the world, but he is far more direct than most of what we have. Also a tad faster and stronger. So it should not be a surprise that many would Luke here. He offers something we've been pinning for for 5 years now.

And when we don't get him or someone of that ilk, we'd be here nnext year pinning over the next speed dribbler out there: Karim Bellarabi?

Bloody hell, he is an old man by your usual pre-pubescent recommendations.

There is another lad at the same club i would hope City are watching and that is Hakan Calhanoglu. He has had a more than steady couple of years in the Bundesliga and is starting to get in the scoring and assisting bracket. The bonus ball being he can take a set piece,

If we look at where City need some cover or younger players i would suggest the latest of the Valencian left back production line, José Luis Gayá. He has had a very consistent season and is also starting to contribute to the goals. His defending has really picked up the last few months.

Back to Germany and having seen Nastasic twice recently he is doing more than ok, i really have no idea why he was frozen out, there are no footballing reasons he should have been. Even in BVB's demolition of S04 he was far from the most embarrassing out there. Ok he was skinned by Gündogan before he slung a great cross for Mkhitaryan to score but hey, he is young and will recover.

Co-incidently the next player could an opponent of Nastasic's on Saturday, the Hoffenheim centre back Niklas Süle. Not seen him this year, since the winter break, not sure if rested or injured but the lad can play and some of his tackles will make you wince.

Memphis Depay is nailed on if we are to be serious going forward and with him being in the Eredivisie he would certainly be cheaper than the overpriced and overheated Primeira Liga.

Other lads in that league would be Arkadiusz Milik at Ajax or rather on loan from Leverkusen (what is it with them recently?), Daley Sinkgraven at Heerenveen, Terry Kongolo at Feyenoord (lets hope his brother puts in a word) and his defensive partner Sven van Beek.

Two others would be Aymeric Laporte at Athletic Bilbao and Nice's Jordan Amavi.

Clearly not all of them but two or three should set us up for a good while and for not much more than Mangala.

You sound like a more articulate version of me. :)

Gaya is also my left back acquisition of choice. You simply cannot match the talent, aggression and age combination he offers.

If you checked my "anti-buying" Mangala thread from the summer, you'd see where I lauded Sule as one of the future top CDs we could have gotten for way cheaper this coming summer and thus shouldn't waste so much on Mangala in a restricted season. Sule is a Man-boy, and his ballskill ( a requirement) for any player I like, is fantastic.

Depay, well yeah I want him. Said it a thousand times. :)

Milik is a bit Harry Kane-ish to me. Don't know if he is having a great season or just a fabulous player developing.

Haven't seen enough of Laporte or Amavi. But I'm particularly intrigued by Amavi's opta stats. He is currently rated the best LB in Europe's major leagues. So I need to pay attention. That said, I doubt I'd prefer him to Gaya. There is something about Gaya I find Enjoyable.

But I like your way of thinking.

 

[sam-caddick]

City Watch @City_Watch · 11m 11 minutes ago
The Sun: City sent a 3-man delegation to watch PSV winger Memphis Depay (21) play and score his 17th goal of the season against Feyenoord.

I think he is rag bound but imagine him and Sterling on our wings?

 

[City_Sean]

City Watch @City_Watch · 11m 11 minutes ago
The Sun: City sent a 3-man delegation to watch PSV winger Memphis Depay (21) play and score his 17th goal of the season against Feyenoord.

I think he is rag bound but imagine him and Sterling on our wings?

I can't imagine us signing him. Can see him going to United. He's having a good year but the standard in that league is so so poor.

 

[sam-caddick]

City Watch @City_Watch · 11m 11 minutes ago
The Sun: City sent a 3-man delegation to watch PSV winger Memphis Depay (21) play and score his 17th goal of the season against Feyenoord.

I think he is rag bound but imagine him and Sterling on our wings?

I can't imagine us signing him. Can see him going to United. He's having a good year but the standard in that league is so so poor.

He impressed in the world cup, looks the real deal to me.

 

[bluechampion7891]

I think he is rag bound but imagine him and Sterling on our wings?

I can't imagine us signing him. Can see him going to United. He's having a good year but the standard in that league is so so poor.

He impressed in the world cup, looks the real deal to me.

think he is swamp bound now