Metrolink - Again

Does anyone know why the trams are usually slower than busses and are much slower than the trains they replaced. If there is a train option why would anyone get the tram? For example why would anyone get a tram from Rochdale to the city centre when it takes an hour whilst the train takes 20 minutes. Similarly a train from Ashton takes 10 minutes and the tram takes over half an hour.
 
Gray said:
tidyman said:
Are you agenda loons seriously suggesting that Metrolink always run a normal service on all lines whenever United are at home?
Yes unless you have evidence to the contrary.

Once and once only have they run a tram from Altrincham all the way to the Etihad and frequently it does not run or stops short of town when City are playing.

It also frequently disgorges all its passengers at Timperley on the return journey and you have to wait for another tram to get you to Navigation Road or Altrincham, they only tell you this is going to happen as you approach Timperley.

When changing trams in town the overcrowding is appalling and there is an accident waiting to happen, frankly the person that dubbed it METROSTINK hit the nail on the head.
The Etihad stop is on the Bury line (or Eccles at the moment while the improvement works are on), I'm not sure why you'd expect a tram direct from Altrincham? You need to change at Market Street, that's standard procedure.

And the trams to Altrincham have a bottleneck just after Timperley where the track goes down to one track and there's just not enough capacity to run all the trams down to Altrincham when there's more running than usual or they need them to keep the head ways reasonable (ie. As close to 12 minutes as possible).

I don't know what to say about the overcrowding in town beyond the service is obviously too popular, though I agree some kind of crowd management would be useful, especially if health and safety are threatened.

-- Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:05 pm --

west didsblue said:
Does anyone know why the trams are usually slower than busses and are much slower than the trains they replaced. If there is a train option why would anyone get the tram? For example why would anyone get a tram from Rochdale to the city centre when it takes an hour whilst the train takes 20 minutes. Similarly a train from Ashton takes 10 minutes and the tram takes over half an hour.
There's no reason trams should be slower than buses, and in my experience they generally aren't, in fact trams are generally much quicker (especially where segregated from traffic). Getting the tram from Audenshaw to the match is much quicker than the 216 for example due to the middle of the road being reserved for trams. Didsbury to the match is similarly quicker than a 42 for example.

Where you're talking about trains, well, you'd definitely expect them to be quicker than a tram as they're segregated from traffic, but they don't serve the same destinations. And don't forget the tram goes right to the ground, where there's a 20 minute walk to Ashburys.

About your Rochdale example, yeah, you'd want to get the train to town, then a tram to the ground from Victoria. You can buy combined tickets. But from Ashton, you'd want to get the tram as it goes direct to the ground and would be a much quicker journey.
 
Gray said:
tidyman said:
Are you agenda loons seriously suggesting that Metrolink always run a normal service on all lines whenever United are at home?
Yes unless you have evidence to the contrary.

The evidence is that Metrolink very rarely, if ever, run a full service on a Sunday and I'm pretty sure United have had home games on a Sunday.
 
Munkey Boy said:
west didsblue said:
Does anyone know why the trams are usually slower than busses and are much slower than the trains they replaced. If there is a train option why would anyone get the tram? For example why would anyone get a tram from Rochdale to the city centre when it takes an hour whilst the train takes 20 minutes. Similarly a train from Ashton takes 10 minutes and the tram takes over half an hour.
There's no reason trams should be slower than buses, and in my experience they generally aren't, in fact trams are generally much quicker (especially where segregated from traffic). Getting the tram from Audenshaw to the match is much quicker than the 216 for example due to the middle of the road being reserved for trams. Didsbury to the match is similarly quicker than a 42 for example.

Where you're talking about trains, well, you'd definitely expect them to be quicker than a tram as they're segregated from traffic, but they don't serve the same destinations. And don't forget the tram goes right to the ground, where there's a 20 minute walk to Ashburys.

About your Rochdale example, yeah, you'd want to get the train to town, then a tram to the ground from Victoria. You can buy combined tickets. But from Ashton, you'd want to get the tram as it goes direct to the ground and would be a much quicker journey.
I wasn't just talking about going to the match but about their use in general. It takes half an hour to get to town on the tram from Didsbury; a bus down the Parkway is quite a bit quicker. They advertise it as being quicker than driving but that's just bollocks.
 
An undergound Metro would have been miles better but apparently not an option in Manchester, or so I've heard, as apparently Manchester is riddled with undergound mines, from the town centre to the suburbs, and most of these are not on any sort of map or anything. So apparently miles and miles of tunnels and mines that no one knows where they all are or how deep and cavernous they are.

I've even heard that there are a couple of old deisel trains undeground somewhere that were there in case the cold war went off for real, but I've never been able to figure out the link between nuclear war and not being able to use modern trains.
 
casualdeyna said:
An undergound Metro would have been miles better but apparently not an option in Manchester, or so I've heard, as apparently Manchester is riddled with undergound mines, from the town centre to the suburbs, and most of these are not on any sort of map or anything. So apparently miles and miles of tunnels and mines that no one knows where they all are or how deep and cavernous they are.

I've even heard that there are a couple of old deisel trains undeground somewhere that were there in case the cold war went off for real, but I've never been able to figure out the link between nuclear war and not being able to use modern trains.

Despite the mines and older tunnels, plans were going ahead to build an underground system for Manchester, initially for the city centre, but to then expand into the suburbs.

There is an actual 'ghost' train station under the Arndale. (Under Topshop apparently) It was to be part of a link from Victoria to Piccadilly Station. Stops were to be also at St Peter's Sq and Royal Exchange too ...

All part of Joseph Sunlight's vision for Manchester ..... <a class="postlink" href="http://theskyliner.org/post/56881355836/joseph-sunlights-vision" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://theskyliner.org/post/56881355836 ... hts-vision</a>
 
tidyman said:
Are you agenda loons seriously suggesting that Metrolink always run a normal service on all lines whenever United are at home?

I am fairly sure that they don't actually PLAN line closures for maintenance when the rags are at home like they did last Saturday.
 
union city blue said:
tidyman said:
Are you agenda loons seriously suggesting that Metrolink always run a normal service on all lines whenever United are at home?

I am fairly sure that they don't actually PLAN line closures for maintenance when the rags are at home like they did last Saturday.

I certainly can't be arsed checking but I'd be amazed if there wasn't at least one line shut for 90% of United home games, played on Sundays in the last couple of years.
 

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