Michael Johnson.....

[VOOMER]

Strange one for me this.

I'm well acquainted with depression both from my own experiences and others and I always defend in such instances.

And it is genuinely heartening to see so many wish him well because it now transpires that Johnson has suffered from this shit and awful illness in whatever form it took (possibly addiction)

But with Johnson my interpretation - and it is only that - is that there is more to it. Yes he deserves our best wishes but also let's not light any candles for a man who had such an envious gift and opportunity and pissed it up the wall. And someone who - by the accounts of many on here - is a total knob.

Exactly what I said Toma couldn't agree more. The reaction however shows how many loved Johnson at this club and shows the strength of his reach. I remember only a few weeks ago reading a thread asking when he would be back.

So does the word "knob" stretch as far as your family and friends who suffer also from this terrible illness ?

Its a strange one. A huge percentage of people who suffer from depression, don't actually accept they have it and rarely use it as an excuse for their behavior. However, MJ could also have dependency issues, in that respect, I'm an arsehole, I have given whatever help I could to a couple of friends, but they seemed happy to wallow in self pity, so possibly my view point is based on a certain degree of ignorance. Could well be a knob, spoit brat, who's problem is he can't stop feeling sorry for himself. Or, he became dependent on pain killers, had plenty of money and time on his hands and his mates are utter *ankers who milked him for every penny they could. I don't know, I have never met him.
We are all our brothers keeper.

 

[jma]

A lot of entrenched views on the subject of mental health here. On both sides.

Some people have mental health issues that are unavoidable, regardless of circumstances.
Some people develop mental health issues in response to events.
Some people respond to problems in a positive and determined manner.
Some people respond to problems by abdicating responsibility.
For some people mental health issues come first and life takes an unfortunate turn because of them.
For some people life takes an unfortunate turn and they develop mental health issues because of it.
Some people create their own problems in life and then rectify it eventually.
Some people create their own problems in life and then use mental health as a reason to absolve responsibility.
Some people are dealt a mental health hand that means they are at risk, no matter how happily and carefully they live their lives.

All sorts of different circumstances. So for anyone, including Michael Johnson, it is nonsense to say either "he is a complete excuse making dick, looking for sympathy" or "he's mentioned the phrase 'mental health' therefore that is a barrier to any sort of critical questioning about his failings in his downfall and everyone should just pat him on the head, and say he can't help it"

Unless you know the complete circumstances, which I doubt many on here do, both of the above stances are cliched and stupid.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

A lot of entrenched views on the subject of mental health here. On both sides.

Some people have mental health issues that are unavoidable, regardless of circumstances.
Some people develop mental health issues in response to events.
Some people respond to problems in a positive and determined manner.
Some people respond to problems by abdicating responsibility.
For some people mental health issues come first and life takes an unfortunate turn because of them.
For some people life takes an unfortunate turn and they develop mental health issues because of it.
Some people create their own problems in life and then rectify it eventually.
Some people create their own problems in life and then use mental health as a reason to absolve responsibility.
Some people are dealt a mental health hand that means they are at risk, no matter how happily and carefully they live their lives.

All sorts of different circumstances. So for anyone, including Michael Johnson, it is nonsense to say either "he is a complete excuse making dick, looking for sympathy" or "he's mentioned the phrase 'mental health' therefore that is a barrier to any sort of critical questioning about his failings in his downfall and everyone should just pat him on the head, and say he can't help it"

Unless you know the complete circumstances, which I doubt many on here do, both of the above stances are cliched and stupid.

By some considerable distance the best post on this thread. Nothing else needs to be said.

 

[jayblue]

i cant afford to be depressed, my mundane shit job states that. if I was on thousands of pounds a week id be happy because I could then afford to be depressed.

 

[oakiecokie]

i cant afford to be depressed, my mundane shit job states that. if I was on thousands of pounds a week id probably be happy because I could then afford to be depressed.

Amended.

 

[jayblue]

preferred my way but cheers anyway. its the thought that counts

 

[Tricky Dickys Right Foot Shot]

In a risk of being berated here I stand by what I initially said about him pissing it away, having said that I really do feel sorry for the lad having heard about his problem why he has it is none of our business and his alone I hope it was nothing really serious and only a matter of the pressure getting to him.

I hope he sorts his head out and just lives a normal life he has funds which act as a lottery win so he won't be struggling to pay his way, I'm sure he has friends at City to this very day (Possibly Micah) that will be there for him as well.

The best thing for him is to completely leave the limelight and only become a memory to us blues it's a shame this has tarnished his career but perhaps in someway deep down he wanted his career to end just so he can concentrate on more important things. Not having to worry about getting fit and the pressure of recovering quickly will be a massive lift of his shoulders.

 

[jayblue]

similar to my thoughts trick dicky. at least when you are financially secure then you can concentrate full time on being depressed.

 

[Manx Blue]

I'm really disappointed at some of the views expressed here.

Regardless of what the infants amongst us may think, he is after all, like all of us a human being, and deserves to be treated with a decent amount of respect and dignity.

Would some of you treat your own family members like this?...or is it because you haven't grown any pubes and act like an Internet warrior?

I sincerely hope that if MJ (or any former player) reaches out to the club in a time of need, that the cry for help will not be ignored.

Thank you and good luck Johnno.

 

[didactic]

Strange one for me this.

I'm well acquainted with depression both from my own experiences and others and I always defend in such instances.

And it is genuinely heartening to see so many wish him well because it now transpires that Johnson has suffered from this shit and awful illness in whatever form it took (possibly addiction)

But with Johnson my interpretation - and it is only that - is that there is more to it. Yes he deserves our best wishes but also let's not light any candles for a man who had such an envious gift and opportunity and pissed it up the wall. And someone who - by the accounts of many on here - is a total knob.

Exactly what I said Toma couldn't agree more.

Here's what you said:

Im tired of there being threads on here about players, managers blah blah and people throw in their own experiences and start turning the crowds to their beliefs just because they have their own opinions. There has been no evidence provided that Johnson had any mental issues. Does this mean I am pissing on all the other blues who DO have/had them? No it does not. And having issues does not excuse drunk driving or being a general asshole to people. Stop putting these players on an undeserved pedestal. He was gambling and drinking before the injuries and its intensified after. Why? Because its fun, because not everyone can remain focused enough to be a successful professional athlete. This happens more often than we are told now lets stop all the "I had mental problems and he has mental problems bollocks". People fuck up in life without needing excuses.

The Priory is an ADDICTION center so by mental issues he is talking about his drinking, gambling and whatever else.

And there's more:

The evidence is there to see he has been arrested for drink driving, those who know him on a personal level say he was drinking and gambling before his injuries. Those who met him say he was always a **** and asshole and then he admits he has been going to an ADDICTION center. What more evidence do you need? Same way I do not feel sorry for the crack head who ruined his football dreams by picking up the pipe is the same way I wont feel sorry for MJ just because he played for City. Spare me the "mental issues" bollocks its a word used by addicts to explain away their actions.

You come on here trolling as usual then when you've got the reaction you've been looking for and have been challenged come out with "I wish him all the best", "Some of my best friends are mentally ill", etc. The truth is that you've got more faces than a clock shop.

There has been some shit spouted on this thread and certainly not just by you. But the others have said their (uninformed) piece and left it at that. You have sought to inflame the debate.

You do not like me you have made that clear over and over again but that does not make me a troll it just means you do not like me. What I stated is my opinion and I stick to it as I still do not believe that the issues at hand are not addiction related. A few posters in this very thread said he was gambling and drinking before the injuries. Zim says he met him and others say they met him and he was a horrible person. Now how does repeating this make one a troll?

Stay objective as you have a position of responsibility here it is not about personal favorites or having only people you agree with. The fact that I have family members who suffer from various problems is actually not any ones business. You causally ignore those calling me names yet jump on me for responding and telling them why I am well versed in mental issues. I just personal think what Johnson is going through is addiction related. Also if you looked back without the hate in your eyes you would see every time a personal attack was launched I would tell them to stick to the topic at hand. I will voice my opinions as they are mine to have and I have not swayed from anything I said.

I wish the lad well but I do not feel sorry or sympathize because I think his issues are addiction related. That is my view and my OWN opinion. You do not need to carry on jumping on me to express your dislike I got it a very long time ago.

I still believe that what happened to Michael Johnson was more addiction related rather than "mental issues".