Michael le Vell (Kevin Webster)

[2sheikhs]

He certainly 'looks' the type, so I'm convinced.........hang him!

If his eyes were closer together, I'd agree. People with only a small gap between their eyes are shifty and not to be trusted. Not guilty for me squire.

 

[Blumers Bloomers]

Excuse my ignorance here............would everything that is heard in court as evidence be reported in the papers? Other than the alleged victim's identity, is there anything else they can't report?

As there is one detail (other than the girl's name) that hasn't been reported as yet that I'm aware of? And beginning to think it must be complete b*llocks if its not been included in the evidence

 

[Phil Meup]

What detail?
I m sure its not all reported. It would be too boring.

 

[bluesmith]

Excuse my ignorance here............would everything that is heard in court as evidence be reported in the papers? Other than the alleged victim's identity, is there anything else they can't report?

As there is one detail (other than the girl's name) that hasn't been reported as yet that I'm aware of? And beginning to think it must be complete b*llocks if its not been included in the evidence

if that detail would give the name away then they obviously cant report it...

 

[blueian99]

Excuse my ignorance here............would everything that is heard in court as evidence be reported in the papers? Other than the alleged victim's identity, is there anything else they can't report?

As there is one detail (other than the girl's name) that hasn't been reported as yet that I'm aware of? And beginning to think it must be complete b*llocks if its not been included in the evidence

Aside from any graphic descriptions of what might have gone on, I would have thought they would report anything else that might be pivotal. Are you hinting that you had been led to believe something would come out that so far hasn't?

As I understood it, all the evidence has been laid before the court now, and there is only closing statements and summing up to come.

 

[cyberblue]

I still can't see how the CPS thought the case strong enough to go to court after they dropped it the first time.

I am thw same as you can only think the CPS has been leaned on from upstairs

 

[tidyman]

Whether he's raped the girl or not , and whether there's DNA or not , it just comes down to his word against hers , and who's version of events a jury believes.

If there is DNA evidence that clearly it isn't JUST a case of her word against his.

This often repeated line about it coming down to who the jury believe is a bit of a nonsense to.

It has no relevance whether the jury thinks he's done it or not. If the prosecution don't prove it beyond reasonable doubt, he should get a not guilty, no matter what their gut feeling is.

 

[PinkFinal]

Acquitted doesn't mean innocent and I think, in this case guilty won't mean cast iron guilty either.

 

[fredmont]

Acquitted doesn't mean innocent and I think, in this case guilty won't mean cast iron guilty either.

From what I have read there is no certainty that the girl has had any sexual relationship, up to the expert examination anyway. So should he be found not guilty why would you doubt it?

It may be that not everything that happened in court has been reported. I seem to remember after the Mick Philpott case a lot more became public.

 

[squirtyflower]

Acquitted doesn't mean innocent and I think, in this case guilty won't mean cast iron guilty either.

acquitted means not guilty

ffs it's just as well idiots like you are not in charge of the justice system

 

[Rascal]

Acquitted doesn't mean innocent and I think, in this case guilty won't mean cast iron guilty either.

acquitted means not guilty

ffs it's just as well idiots like you are not in charge of the justice system

You have it right pal

Sadly whatever the outcome of the trial he will always be viewed as guilty by lots of people.

And the accuser will always look like somebody who has lied by many.

If there is no proof the lad has to walk free and it should be his right to be judged as doing nothing wrong.



Shit sticks though

 

[PinkFinal]

Acquitted doesn't mean innocent and I think, in this case guilty won't mean cast iron guilty either.

From what I have read there is no certainty that the girl has had any sexual relationship, up to the expert examination anyway. So should he be found not guilty why would you doubt it?

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Well it would be 'not proven' rather than 'innocent' in my eyes anyway, although of course 'not proven' is only a verdict available in Scotland, not here.

 

[2sheikhs]

Obviously the DNA issue could be disregarded because of who the alleged victim is.
Also, it doesn't matter who puts pressure on the CPS, as I've said before, you still need evidence.

 

[Phil Meup]

Is this going to be longer than the Isco thread?!
Remember O J Simpson?
He got not guilty but everyone knows he did it!

 

[fredmont]

Acquitted doesn't mean innocent and I think, in this case guilty won't mean cast iron guilty either.

From what I have read there is no certainty that the girl has had any sexual relationship, up to the expert examination anyway. So should he be found not guilty why would you doubt it?

.

Well it would be 'not proven' rather than 'innocent' in my eyes anyway, although of course 'not proven' is only a verdict available in Scotland, not here.

What evidence have you read/heard that makes you believe he cannot be innocent?

 

[squirtyflower]

Acquitted doesn't mean innocent and I think, in this case guilty won't mean cast iron guilty either.

acquitted means not guilty

ffs it's just as well idiots like you are not in charge of the justice system

You have it right pal

Sadly whatever the outcome of the trial he will always be viewed as guilty by lots of people.

And the accuser will always look like somebody who has lied by many.

If there is no proof the lad has to walk free and it should be his right to be judged as doing nothing wrong.



Shit sticks though

that's the problem though isn't it

you could be accused of 'something'. the great and the unwashed decide you are guilty and that's it!

whatever happened to the freedoms our country was built on, the freedoms lots of people lost their lives for?
all these idiots just don't see they are throwing us back to the dark ages and a feudal system

 

[PinkFinal]

From what I have read there is no certainty that the girl has had any sexual relationship, up to the expert examination anyway. So should he be found not guilty why would you doubt it?

.

Well it would be 'not proven' rather than 'innocent' in my eyes anyway, although of course 'not proven' is only a verdict available in Scotland, not here.

What evidence have you read/heard that makes you believe he cannot be innocent?

I don't think it's impossible he's innocent actually but if he is found not guilty I won't be joining in with the warped cnuts who will use it as an opportunity to label all or many sexual abuse accusers as liars, fantasists, money grubbers etc and do enormous damage to the cause of those seeking justice.

 

[Davs 19]

Is this going to be longer than the Isco thread?!
Remember O J Simpson?
He got not guilty but everyone knows he did it!

Well, did you know when you were famous you could kill your wife
And there's no such thing as 25 to life
As long as you've got the cash to pay for Cochran

According to a popular music combo..............not me obviously.....

 

[Blumers Bloomers]

Excuse my ignorance here............would everything that is heard in court as evidence be reported in the papers? Other than the alleged victim's identity, is there anything else they can't report?

As there is one detail (other than the girl's name) that hasn't been reported as yet that I'm aware of? And beginning to think it must be complete b*llocks if its not been included in the evidence

Aside from any graphic descriptions of what might have gone on, I would have thought they would report anything else that might be pivotal. Are you hinting that you had been led to believe something would come out that so far hasn't?

As I understood it, all the evidence has been laid before the court now, and there is only closing statements and summing up to come.

Exactly this.....one pretty incriminating detail

Thinking about it more it could potentially give the victims identity away so maybe it will come out in the aftermath. It's certainly something I found incriminating.........if of course it's true ( but I've no reason whatsoever to doubt my source who is close to the case)

 

[Balti]

wow whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

now it's guilty until proven innocent according to some on here!

especially rags obviously ;-)