So the only refugees they are taking are Jews. I wonder what would be said if the uk only took Christians ?
‘A real opportunity’: Israel urges Ukrainian Jews to immigrate
About 100 Ukrainian Jews have arrived in Israel and officials say some 10,000 are expected in the coming weeks.www.aljazeera.com
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You'll find a lot of people that support the continued existance of Israel are highly critical of the Israeli government's actions towards the Palestinians, also want peace and a satisfactory resolution that does not result in the eradication of either.
But the politics between Israel and Palestine are not ours to dictate, so I don't know what you mean by 'we'. I'm trusting you do not support the also illegal action of firing rockets at Israeli neighbourhoods. Both sides of that particular conflict are not coming out of the situation looking particularly dignified. Its hard to call Palestinians the sole victims when some of their political members are calling for the complete extermination of Israel and Jews. Before you say anything, we also have MP's here to condemn the actions of Israel.
If you condemn one, you must condemn both otherwise your notions of seeking peace are rendered hollow and in truth you just advocate a total Palestinian 'victory'.
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"We"? I think you mean the "politicians of the time".
You really need to start disassociating the actions of politicians from the will of a nations people. Many of us didn't vote for those currently in power, or those from yesteryear who again, 'we' had no say in.
Otherwise we're back to, as an example, loading shame on modern Germans and the Japanese for the events of the Second World War, aren't we.
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Because you haven't seen the documentaries.
An interesting series but it has six episodes and all between 70-120 mins. Difficult to get the time stamp.
Can't Get You Out of My Head (TV series) - Wikipedia
Adam Curtis knows why we all keep falling for conspiracy theories
In Can't Get You Out of My Head, Curtis argues that we need to rediscover our sense of imagination
The important influence was Cecil Sharp, unfortunately the article doesn't discuss how it was used in the colonies, but here is a flavour of it.
"Take Brexit. Curtis outlines a fascinating history of a man named Cecil Sharp, a key leader in the English folk-song revival back in the early 1900s. Sharp travelled through England learning old rural dances; black and white footage shows Sharp and his companions prancing from leg to leg like fauns, the kind of ye olde English country dancing parodied by Julia Davis in her black comedy Hunderby.
“Sharp sort of invented the idea of folk music,” says Curtis. “And that’s not to say people didn’t sing songs. But this idea that there was this thing called the music of the folk, he sort of invented that, and he did it with this country dancing, and it’s so recent. And it was really a myth of England.”
Curtis deepens his analysis. Sharp drew on the volk of German nationalism. His aim was more ambitious, and sinister – responding to a fear of industrialised mass society, and the corruption of ascendant financial institutions, he intended to manufacture a new nationalism for the middle classes – a natural order extracted from England’s rolling hills. In other words, the impulse is Brexit: a retreat into a mythical version of the past. At that episode’s conclusion, Nigel Farage emerges from a tundra of blue, Brexit Party glow sticks.
“There’s a melancholy about the loss of the Empire, but really the roots of Brexit are in that sort of mythical, nostalgic idea of England, that was invented in those years, and then comes back up again in the Second World War,” Curtis says. “And it’s still there. You know, lots of my middle class friends have that nostalgia, you can see it.”
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All explained in the article. Jews don't want to be in a minority, otherwise the "legitimacy" of the Jewish ethnocratic state collapses.
I condemn all violence.
I do accept we are not the two faced govt. ministers that were in power at the time or currently. I was making the reference to how this countries politicians have caused so much bloodshed by lies over many many years.
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So charge their doings to them specifically, not to 'us' as a nation.
So anyone saying "from the river to the sea" could be reported to the police, but would it be a defence to cite Likud's original platform that "between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty"? Or the various Zionist groups who would regard "the land of Israel" as including both sides of the Jordan (there was even a song for that - though the original imagined a harmonious unity between the Arab, the Christian and the Jew", being more about the kingdom of Jordan as "artificial").
Though my country may be poor and small
It is mine from head to foot.
Stretching from the sea to the desert
And the Jordan, the Jordan in the middle.
Two Banks has the Jordan –
This is ours and, that is as well.
From the wealth of our land there shall prosper
The Arab, the Christian, and the Jew,
For our flag is a pure and just one
It will illuminate both sides of my Jordan.
The Jewish left in the States seems keen to find writers to explain that the "river to the sea" phrase "doesn't mean what you think it means", and others to cite Ben Gurion in 1947 (my italics):
"My assumption (which is why I am a fervent proponent of a state, even though it is now linked to partition) is that a Jewish state on only part of the land is not the end but the beginning.
"When we acquire one thousand or 10,000 dunams, we feel elated. It does not hurt our feelings that by this acquisition we are not in possession of the whole land. This is because this increase in possession is of consequence not only in itself, but because through it we increase our strength, and every increase in strength helps in the possession of the land as a whole. The establishment of a state, even if only on a portion of the land, is the maximal reinforcement of our strength at the present time and a powerful boost to our historical endeavors to liberate the entire country.
"We shall admit into the state all the Jews we can. We firmly believe that we can admit more than two million Jews. We shall build a multi-faceted Jewish economy – agricultural, industrial, and maritime. We shall organize an advanced defense force—a superior army which I have no doubt will be one of the best armies in the world. At that point I am confident that we would not fail in settling in the remaining parts of the country, through agreement and understanding with our Arab neighbors, or through some other means."
Though my country may be poor and small
It is mine from head to foot.
Stretching from the sea to the desert
And the Jordan, the Jordan in the middle.
Two Banks has the Jordan –
This is ours and, that is as well.
From the wealth of our land there shall prosper
The Arab, the Christian, and the Jew,
For our flag is a pure and just one
It will illuminate both sides of my Jordan.
The Jewish left in the States seems keen to find writers to explain that the "river to the sea" phrase "doesn't mean what you think it means", and others to cite Ben Gurion in 1947 (my italics):
"My assumption (which is why I am a fervent proponent of a state, even though it is now linked to partition) is that a Jewish state on only part of the land is not the end but the beginning.
"When we acquire one thousand or 10,000 dunams, we feel elated. It does not hurt our feelings that by this acquisition we are not in possession of the whole land. This is because this increase in possession is of consequence not only in itself, but because through it we increase our strength, and every increase in strength helps in the possession of the land as a whole. The establishment of a state, even if only on a portion of the land, is the maximal reinforcement of our strength at the present time and a powerful boost to our historical endeavors to liberate the entire country.
"We shall admit into the state all the Jews we can. We firmly believe that we can admit more than two million Jews. We shall build a multi-faceted Jewish economy – agricultural, industrial, and maritime. We shall organize an advanced defense force—a superior army which I have no doubt will be one of the best armies in the world. At that point I am confident that we would not fail in settling in the remaining parts of the country, through agreement and understanding with our Arab neighbors, or through some other means."
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So we didn't win two world wars?