MaineDAWG2008
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it should stop evicting palestinians illegally. how hard is that to comprehend?
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I'm With Stupid
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Since you comprehend it while rest of the world does not get the legal case maybe you should go there and sort it out.it should stop evicting palestinians illegally. how hard is that to comprehend?
The rest of the world absolutely get the legal case, they just chose to look the other way, just like they have with Saudi Arabia because they'd rather be on good terms with tyrants than stand up for what's right. Israel and the Saudi's know this so know they can continue to push further and further, free for international repercussions.Since you comprehend it while rest of the world does not get the legal case maybe you should go there and sort it out.
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There are so many other cases of genocide and persecution in the world that we don't get excited about that it sort of plays into the hands of those crying antisemitism that we get so excited about this one.The rest of the world absolutely get the legal case, they just chose to look the other way, just like they have with Saudi Arabia because they'd rather be on good terms with tyrants than stand up for what's right. Israel and the Saudi's know this so know they can continue to push further and further, free for international repercussions.
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Do people cry racism when we criticise China over their treatment of the Uyghurs? Although similarly to Israel, as long as there's more money or political capital to be made by not mentioning it, people in power will just keep quiet. It's not surprising the politicians only started speaking out against the treatment of Uyghurs once relations had deteriorated to the point of no return. Before that, it was very much, "Yes, of course we'll bring up human rights in this multi-billion pound trade negotiation. Honest."There are so many other cases of genocide and persecution in the world that we don't get excited about that it sort of plays into the hands of those crying antisemitism that we get so excited about this one.
Although it's worth mentioning that there's a difference between actions of some despotic regime somewhere, and the actions of an ally that we sell weapons to, and in America's case, actively protect them at all costs. I also don't think many of the people unhappy with our continued unquestioning support for Israel are particular happy about our support for regimes like Saudi Arabia either. And it's not as if places like India and Myanmar have escaped criticism for their treatment of minorities in recent years.
Prestwich_Blue
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Here's the thing. That land in Sheikh Jarrah, where all this started, was legally bought by Jews prior to 1948, when it became part of the West Bank. In 1967, with the Israeli conquest of the West Bank, it reverted to Israeli control. So it's legally owned by Israelis in theory.it should stop evicting palestinians illegally. how hard is that to comprehend?
There's been a battle in the courts to establish the legal ownership, which has ended and the owners want it back. My nephew, who lives in Tel Aviv (although he's not in any way religious) pointed this out to me when I was critical of Israel's actions. So my response was that, if that was the case then fine, but why not give the property back that was legally owned by Arabs, who were displaced from what became Israel in 1948.
It was a question he had no good answer to.
It's more that we aren't complicit in the same way for most of the other shtihole countries. We are in bed with Israel and the Saudi's so won't say a thing against them, no matter what they do. Not to the same extent as the US, which has pretty much given Israel carte blanche to do whatever it wants, but still we pander to them and let them have huge political influence in our country.There are so many other cases of genocide and persecution in the world that we don't get excited about that it sort of plays into the hands of those crying antisemitism that we get so excited about this one.
Prestwich_Blue
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There never was such a place though. And even if the Arabs had won the war in 1948 and wiped Israel out, there still wouldn't be a state called Palestine. That's because Egypt, Israel & Jordan all claimed the territory and saw it, or parts of it, as being part of their country. That's not speculation either. It's well documented and here's the proof if you need it.I urge you to look at the timeline map of Palestine: this is not about defending itself, it is about the removal of the state of Palestine.
In 1948 Jordan controlled the whole West Bank. Did they create a Palestinian state? No. They annexed it. And the Egyptians placed the Gaza Strip under military control.
There has never been, nor would there have been, an independent, sovereign Palestinian state.
And I'm not saying this to support the Israelis or downplay what's happened to the Palestinians. But people have this view that the Jews somehow invaded this peaceful state and kicked the residents out, like the fate so many indigenous people have suffered in other parts of the world. You really have to know the history before you comment because, once you do, you realise there is no simple, black-and-white picture but one with multiple shades of grey and where there are no simplistic answers.
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Scottyboi
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There never was such a place though. And even if the Arabs had won the war in 1948 and wiped Israel out, there still wouldn't be a state called Palestine. That's because Egypt, Israel & Jordan all claimed the territory and saw it, or parts of it, as being part of their country. That's not speculation either. It's well documented.
In 1948 Jordan controlled the whole West Bank. Did they create a Palestinian state? No. They annexed it. And the Egyptians placed the Gaza Strip under military control.
There has never been, nor would there have been, an independent, sovereign Palestinian state.
Yep nothing in it for the other nearby countries anymore that's why they never help them out. If Israel was under a more severe threat it would have no choice but to compromise alot more but the damage has been done, you have generations of people who most likely won't be happy till all the other side are dead.