Middle East Conflict | Netanyahu orders strikes on Gaza (p1161)

domalino said:
Between the last Gaza war in 2014 and 7/10, 12 Israelis were killed in Israel by Hamas.

For context Israelis are 100x more likely to die of diabetes than Hamas in that period and almost 50 people in Britain were killed by Islamic terrorists.


The last 10 years were for Israel as bloodless as any ongoing conflict can be.

Of course the IDF killed over 1200 Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank in the same time frame. A 100:1 ratio of deaths on each side.

I don’t think Israel made any serious attempts at peace talks during that decade.
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If this is correct re only 12 Israelis being killed by Hamas in a decade then it's pretty scandalous that Israel/US didn't move towards implementing a Palestinian state.
 
trueblue1972 said:
It's also going to need an independent peacekeeping force for quite some time whos going to do that ?
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In short no one, because they will be seen as an Army of occupation, this is what the Americans have been saying to them, they are going to have to occupy the whole strip, and have men and resources committed to it, the Iranians will be rubbing their hands with joy at the prospect, setting silly objectives can be a costly mistake

Of course they could stop after a Gaza city and call victory, but it will be a piric victory , apparently they don’t even know, the world is not going to come in and clean their mess up
 
Ducado said:
In short no one, because they will be seen as an Army of occupation, this is what the Americans have been saying to them, they are going to have to occupy the whole strip, and have men and resources committed to it, the Iranians will be rubbing their hands with joy at the prospect, setting silly objectives can be a costly mistake

Of course they could stop after a Gaza city and call victory, but it will be a piric victory , apparently they don’t even know, the world is not going to come in and clean their mess up
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conjecture of corse, or at least I hope so , as otherwise I see no end
 
Roachy said:
Not if it means the release of those being held hostage by Hamas , women and kids included, according to him. He made an awful comment before that without hostages what restrains Israel.
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Well, yes, it is awful to think that Israel has been bombing Gaza as they have while concerned for possibly hurting the hostages, so awful to wonder what they'd do without that concern.

I'm sure you'd not commit the war crime of taking hostages, but if you had would you give them up without some guarantees about what happens next?

Maybe not quite expressed in the same way, but others have addressed the problem. "The large-scale hostage takings could stoke a dynamic that feeds escalation risk. Or perhaps the hostages will induce caution that pushes in the opposite direction. Like so much else in this horrific war, the human cost will be acute." (Center for Strategic and International Studies) https://www.csis.org/analysis/why-gaza-hostage-crisis-different
 
Don Karleone said:
You can't call them Tories now, it's Keir Starmer's Labour party.
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Depends how you see the Tories. Your view is that they’re not Corbyn, my view is that they’re not RW.

Let’s just fuck this up and call it what it is, using a certain political stance to have a pop.

Both parties views, which are led by the current government, are abhorrent to me, but at least Starmer has said that we need a chance to look after those that are being hit the most.

Fucking disgraceful from all sides, there’s absolutely no need to score points from this.

Sad.
 
Bluemoon_420 said:
The terror in this child’s eyes is truly heartbreaking.

When you “stand with Israel”, you stand with a terrorist state, plain and simple. No morals, no humanity.

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Fuck me if that does not want every human to stop this shit nothing will.

Where is your f***ing god? Why does he not stop this shit?
 
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TinFoilHat said:
The difference between this thread and the Ukraine thread are stark.

The other thread people are nursing semis supporting innocent people dieing.
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It wasn’t like that when Mariupol was being destroyed, that’s a bit like the bombing of Northern Gaza.
 
Despite their love of a veteran, and a reported desperation to save the cenotaph from the marches this weekend, I understand that the Daily Mail and GBNews are both based in tax havens - Bermuda and Dubai - and therefore make no fiscal contribution to the healthcare, social care, housing, nor pensions of the ex-servicemen and women that they allegedly support.
 
trueblue1972 said:
conjecture of corse, or at least I hope so , as otherwise I see no end
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As it is, there is no end it’s been ill thought out from the start, I predict that the rest of the world will say to Israel, you broke it you fix it! And that is the trap they have walked straight into, in order to tech the objective they are going to have occupy and govern 2 million people and on going insurgency, it’s like they have shots themselves in the foot and decided to shoot the other one! It will be a massive drain on their resources and manpower just as the Iranians intended
 
Vic said:
Yes.

That's simple enough. But it isn't simple, is it?

I'll take an unconditional ceasefire. Then negotiate.

Or do you only want a ceasefire if Hamas agrees to free hostages? And Israel gives guarantees not then to resume bombing the south? And not pursuing what's left of Hamas? (And Hamas stops firing rockets at Israel?)

It's bad enough people being simplistic about the history of the conflict without being simplistic about the future.
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Yes Vic, the hostages have to be released. Without that the war will not stop.

Right now they are the only vindication Israel needs. Without them imo even it’s most staunch of allies will say enough is enough and I think a ceasefire has a chance of happening.

If you don’t think Hamas should give them up, fair enough, you have your opinion.
 
Bluemoon_420 said:
The terror in this child’s eyes is truly heartbreaking.

When you “stand with Israel”, you stand with a terrorist state, plain and simple. No morals, no humanity.

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I think this post should be pinned to the top of every page of this thread. Maybe it'll make a difference to the stone hearted. or maybe it wont because they are as bad as the people they claim to hate.
 
Post after post of nothing but projection allowed on this thread and then people wonder why it turns into personal arguments.

Posters need to stop telling those with a different opinion how they feel about things and how bad it must make them.

Its pathetic.
 
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