Middle East Conflict | Netanyahu orders strikes on Gaza (p1161)

[ali benarbia's studs]

The terror in this child’s eyes is truly heartbreaking.

When you “stand with Israel”, you stand with a terrorist state, plain and simple. No morals, no humanity.

That is truely heart wrenching. Hope truce comes soon.

 

[The blue phantom]

The terror in this child’s eyes is truly heartbreaking.

When you “stand with Israel”, you stand with a terrorist state, plain and simple. No morals, no humanity.

Gulp, Fuckinhell. The sad thing about this video is they are the lucky ones too. There's over 4000 children blown to bits.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

All over the RTE news. She’s an Irish citizen.

Yes and despite Irish support for the Palestinians, Hamas won’t release the girl.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Yes and despite Irish support for the Palestinians, Hamas won’t release the girl.

No. Not so far anyway.
She is Israeli Irish, not that it should matter, but don’t know what influence out crowd have.

 

[Ducado]

Yes Vic, the hostages have to be released. Without that the war will not stop.

Right now they are the only vindication Israel needs. Without them imo even it’s most staunch of allies will say enough is enough and I think a ceasefire has a chance of happening.

If you don’t think Hamas should give them up, fair enough, you have your opinion.

The war will stop when the Americans say it stops, the whole world knows it, they have been somewhat exposed on this one

There is always a price to pay when you are the recipient of large amounts of money, quite soon the pressure brought upon them will be too much, but I believe they and few Arab governments would like to see Hamas weakened sufficiently before then

I believe it’s a cluster fuck of epic proportions and one historians will look back on with confusion, the one winner is Iran, Russia and China

 

[robbieh]

The war will stop when the Americans say it stops, the whole world knows it, they have been somewhat exposed on this one

There is always a price to pay when you are the recipient of large amounts of money, quite soon the pressure brought upon them will be too much, but I believe they and few Arab governments would like to see Hamas weakened sufficiently before then

I believe it’s a cluster fuck of epic proportions and one historians will look back on with confusion, the one winner is Iran, Russia and China

The very different responses from western leaders to what the Russians and Israelis are doing just shows what a farce the whole thing is. The UN is essentially toothless and in reality the big boys do what they like. They excuse their allies and berate their enemies. The same is true of the Chinese, Indians and Russians. It was probably ever thus.
But I think the world deserves better.

 

[Vic]

Yes Vic, the hostages have to be released. Without that the war will not stop.

Right now they are the only vindication Israel needs. Without them imo even it’s most staunch of allies will say enough is enough and I think a ceasefire has a chance of happening.

If you don’t think Hamas should give them up, fair enough, you have your opinion.

A bit of projection in there.

And a lot of distortion.

If the hostages are released, will the war stop? If there were no hostages, would Israel not have bombed Gaza?

 

[metalblue]

The war will stop when the Americans say it stops, the whole world knows it, they have been somewhat exposed on this one

There is always a price to pay when you are the recipient of large amounts of money, quite soon the pressure brought upon them will be too much, but I believe they and few Arab governments would like to see Hamas weakened sufficiently before then

I believe it’s a cluster fuck of epic proportions and one historians will look back on with confusion, the one winner is Iran, Russia and China

That’s three winners ;)

 

[blueinsa]

A bit of projection in there.

And a lot of distortion.

If the hostages are released, will the war stop? If there were no hostages, would Israel not have bombed Gaza?

Why are you asking me questions I have no control over the answers to?

I have given an opinion as to a possible way forward to a ceasefire.

Its Bluemoon Vic, not the UN council or a negotiating table with Hamas and Israel sat around.

 

[BlueAnorak]

How about having a bit of turf they can call their own without it being blockaded, cut off from international trade, transgressed upon and generally not respected?

The Israelis need to give Palestinians a deal that the majority of Palestinians will be happy with, and then whilst there will remain some extremists in Palestine, they will not be in power and the Palestinians can deal with them with their own security forces.

Israel's persistent shocking treatment of the Palestinians is absolutely the root cause of the attacks on Israel.

The Palestinisn authority has rejected a very good deal 3 or 4 times since 1994. So sadly, there probably isn't such a deal to be had.

 

[metalblue]

Despite their love of a veteran, and a reported desperation to save the cenotaph from the marches this weekend, I understand that the Daily Mail and GBNews are both based in tax havens - Bermuda and Dubai - and therefore make no fiscal contribution to the healthcare, social care, housing, nor pensions of the ex-servicemen and women that they allegedly support.

Daily Mail is owned by DMGT which is headquartered in UK so I doubt that is true.

 

[Vic]

Why are you asking me questions I have no control over the answers to?

I have given an opinion as to a possible way forward to a ceasefire.

Its Bluemoon Vic, not the UN council or a negotiating table with Hamas and Israel sat around.

Whole thread is a waste of time then.

Why bother giving your opinion?

My opinion is that Hamas will not release hostages without some guarantees stronger than just it will put more pressure on Israel to stop bombing. I'm not saying they should have committed the war crime of taking hostages but if they were released, would Israel stop its war crimes?

 

[dublinblue12]

So Hamas said they will release hostages if Israel stop bombing, and Israel said they will stop bombing if Hamas release the hostages, fuck me

 

[Ducado]

The Palestinisn authority has rejected a very good deal 3 or 4 times since 1994. So sadly, there probably isn't such a deal to be had.

Not quite true, but the last deal offered was very good but in context it was offered by a lame duck Israeli PM, but I believe it will be the basis of a new deal because it’s the only one that offers compromise and it was a very creative solution to the Jerusalem problem

Groups like Hamas need the conflict to go on, it’s how they make a living , the same could be said for the Israeli right perpetual threat and conflict is good for them all

One deal offered was essentially the Bantistan option which was rightly rejected I don’t recall any others care to enlighten me?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/abbas-never-said-no-to-2008-peace-deal-says-former-pm-olmert/

 

[Vic]

So Hamas said they will release hostages if Israel stop bombing, and Israel said they will stop bombing if Hamas release the hostages, fuck me

Well, isn't that how WW1 ended?

It's dead simple to sort that. Israel stops bombing, Hamas release hostages. If Hamas doesn't then release hostages, the bombing starts again.

But what then happens to Israel's aim to eliminate Hamas?

 

[blueinsa]

Whole thread is a waste of time then.

Why bother giving your opinion?

My opinion is that Hamas will not release hostages without some guarantees stronger than just it will put more pressure on Israel to stop bombing. I'm not saying they should have committed the war crime of taking hostages but if they were released, would Israel stop its war crimes?

Leave it then if it’s a waste of time.

I will stick around though for the discussion around differing opinions.

As I’ve said, several times now, if the hostages are released the the political pressure from the allies to stop the bombing and get around the table will be huge. Yes, I think Israel will then stop its war.

 

[Palerider]

Very depressing. For me a two state solution is a fair compromise but on googling 'Does Israel/Palestine support a two state solution" it would seem that the majority (65% and 67%) do not either want or believe a two state solution is possible. A fight to the death it is then.

 

[Scottyboi]

Leave it then if it’s a waste of time.

I will stick around though for the discussion around differing opinions.

As I’ve said, several times now, if the hostages are released the the political pressure from the allies to stop the bombing and get around the table will be huge. Yes, I think Israel will then stop its war.

Yep I think the political pressure would be too much if hamas released the hostages and Israel carried on their bombing campaign.

 

[dublinblue12]

Let's hope she (and all the rest of them) get home safe and sound, it would be heart breaking to have that hope only for it to be taken away again. They need a ceasefire, even to just test Hamas claim they will start releasing if they do stop.