Who is taking sides? I see people highlighting war crimes and wishing our government will stop supplying arms to the side commiting genocide.
Middle East Conflict | Netanyahu orders strikes on Gaza (p1161)
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Are there actually people in this thread that still believe that this is not the systematic torture and genocide of the people of Palestine? 77 years of fighting, displacement, land seizure, the withdrawal of food, water, aid and medicine, yet people believe that the events of October 7th 2024 are the reason. SHAME on those politicians that are authorising and emboldening the perpetrators of these atrocities.
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I see people taking sides. Even you right there.
They're both committing war crimes. There's no right side.
The Christian Zionists are expecting Jews in Israel either to be converted to Christianity or to be killed.
The Jewish Zionists accept their support, because they don't believe that bit. If they are religious they expect the Messiah.
The Christian Zionists believe he's been and is coming back (either before or after two thirds of Jews are killed). That's why they're Christians. (Messiah in Hebrew is Christ in Greek.)
I don't know if Jewish immigration to Palestine could ever have been done peacefully. Probably not. But from the lie that it was "a land without people" to realising the existing population would object is what gave us the Revisionist Zionists that now run Israel.
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To be honest anyone using the "they're all the same argument", such as yourself, is either ignorant or taking sides themselves.
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Yes but in no way does it mean 'both sides' have the capacity to wipe each other out.
No that is your perception ... and it is hyperbolic nonsense.
You mean genocidal intent. The original Hamas charter, which I presume you are referring to, did contain statements that meet that definition even without you over egging the pudding.
So if a 37 year old document written by some long dead reactionary clerics gets to define Palestinians and justify Israel's actions does the same apply in reverse? You know 'both sides' and all that.
Aah the self appointed voice of the 'reasonable people' ....
and master of the understatement
Yet you continually turn a blind eye to the one side acting out on it's intent in real time and justify it with inane word salads like the above and claim you are a voice for peace.
None whatsoever.
Just people who pretend that is what they are doing,while accusing posters calling for an end to the slaughter as 'unreasonable' and being opposed to peace.
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BigJoe#1
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Q. Was king Herod from Palestine?
Herod Antipas was one of the co-conspirators who carried out the condemnation and execution of Jesus Christ. More than 30 years earlier, his father, Herod the Great, had tried but failed to murder the young Jesus by slaughtering all the boys under two years old in Bethlehem (Matthew 2:16), but Joseph, Mary and Jesus had already fled to Egypt.
..... Moses and all that shit. Never really been a DesRes has it?
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What the Bible Teaches About Herod Antipas
Herod Antipas, the ruler of Galilee, was a co-conspirator in the death of Christ. Learn how he unjustly sacrificed Jesus for his own political gain.
What defines a terrorist ?
Nelson Mandela was a terrorist.
Gerry Adams has met and will continue to meet political leaders, was he a terrorist ? If so is why was he allowed to be an elected member of parliament.
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. The word is simply a definition made by a government and is meaningless.
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There's Hundreds of thousands of Children being starved to death. Deliberately. With probably around 100'000 that have already been slaughtered.
It's being watched by the world with no one prepared to help. Who'd of thought this in the year 2025.
I think that is what the OP is saying. Both sides are terrorists to each other! Which seems to be true. Both sides think they are fighting an existential war, and possibly that is true as well. Although, looking at the populations of both sides since 1940, Palestinians around 1 million. Jews around 500,000 and currently Palestine has 5.5 million and Israel has 10 million (not all Jews). They have both increased at least 5 fold which is a pretty remarkable feat considering most of us consider it a permanent war zone. To put that in context the UK had 40million in 1940 and now around 68million.
Apparently speaking out about this is bad.
Gorton thinks everyone should be quiet about the mass slaughter of children because both sides are bad.
mancity2012_eamo
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Yes but Israel is expanding while Palestinian land is decreasing.
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Some of the footage coming out today is horrifying. Until Israel stops or gets stopped you're damn right I'm taking a side.
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It's Bone Chilling.
I can't understand why they aren't kicked out of everything. All sporting events. Eurovision. Also all these British/Israeli Idf soldiers should be arrested for murder if they touch down on our island again.
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Meanwhile Gary Lineker, a man with the ultimate milquetoast politics, is being outed as a Hamas agent. You couldn't make it up but they consistently do.
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The RTE news the other night, after a bombing of a hospital that killed 70 people, showed a mother and child. A baby really. But it was one of the most horrific things I’ve seen since the Ethiopian famine footage that motivated Bob Geldof et al. to do something about it.
The baby screaming, on its back on a trolley was just skin and bone.
I really found it hard to watch.
I never thought in the 21st century we’d be idly watching this stuff in the west and excusing the man made cause of it.
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There has definitely been a shift in the last couple of weeks .... a lot of 'noticing' going on.
Who could have imagined 19 months ago that it would take more than a year and a half of Israel slaughtering and starving Gaza’s children for the first cracks to appear in what has been a rock-solid wall of support for Israel from western establishments.
Finally, something looks like it may be about to give.
The British establishment’s financial daily, the Financial Times, was first to break ranks last week to condemn "the West’s shameful silence" in the face of Israel’s murderous assault on the tiny enclave.
In an editorial – effectively the paper’s voice – the FT accused the United States and Europe of being increasingly "complicit" as Israel made Gaza “uninhabitable”, an allusion to genocide, and noted that the goal was to "drive Palestinians from their land", an allusion to ethnic cleansing.
Of course, both of these grave crimes by Israel have been evidently true not only since Hamas’ violent, single-day breakout from Gaza on 7 October 2023, but for decades.
So parlous is the state of the western reporting, from a media no less complicit than the governments berated by the FT, that we need to seize on any small signs of progress.
www.middleeasteye.net
Parts of the media and political class know mass death in Gaza cannot be obscured for much longer, not even after Israel has barred foreign journalists from the enclave and murdered most of the Palestinian journalists trying to record the genocide.
Cynical political and media actors are trying to get in their excuses before it is too late to show remorse.
Step forward the ultimate cynical political and media actor.
Who could have imagined 19 months ago that it would take more than a year and a half of Israel slaughtering and starving Gaza’s children for the first cracks to appear in what has been a rock-solid wall of support for Israel from western establishments.
Finally, something looks like it may be about to give.
The British establishment’s financial daily, the Financial Times, was first to break ranks last week to condemn "the West’s shameful silence" in the face of Israel’s murderous assault on the tiny enclave.
In an editorial – effectively the paper’s voice – the FT accused the United States and Europe of being increasingly "complicit" as Israel made Gaza “uninhabitable”, an allusion to genocide, and noted that the goal was to "drive Palestinians from their land", an allusion to ethnic cleansing.
Of course, both of these grave crimes by Israel have been evidently true not only since Hamas’ violent, single-day breakout from Gaza on 7 October 2023, but for decades.
So parlous is the state of the western reporting, from a media no less complicit than the governments berated by the FT, that we need to seize on any small signs of progress.
Why the wall of silence on the Gaza genocide is finally starting to crack
As Israel unveils its final genocide push, and mass death from starvation looms in Gaza, western media and politicians are tentatively starting to speak up
www.middleeasteye.net
Parts of the media and political class know mass death in Gaza cannot be obscured for much longer, not even after Israel has barred foreign journalists from the enclave and murdered most of the Palestinian journalists trying to record the genocide.
Cynical political and media actors are trying to get in their excuses before it is too late to show remorse.
Step forward the ultimate cynical political and media actor.
I totally disagree with what you have written. The OP quite clearly made a definition between terrorists and the Israeli state.
What I asked was what is Nelson Mandela ? For many many years we in Britain, and the rest of the world were told Mandela was a terrorist. Nelson Mandela ran the equivalent of Hamas. He was imprisoned for his actions.
He was, we were told, a terrorist.
Can someone tell.me the difference between the ANC and Hamas because I can't see any.
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Big Joe one of them , also if Hamas just release the hostages then Israel will stop as he repeats over and over. Thick and infuriating when we’re witnessing genocide.