Tim of the Oak
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Full respect for the courage of these women. Save the hostages.
A belief without a rational foundation and knowledge is merely a prejudice.
There was another horrid situation that existed in Gaza before October 7th, and that was the incarceration and repression of a population of 2.3 million people in a small strip of land where the air, land and sea is controlled by a hostile power which also controls the food, water, fuel, power, medical supplies at a subsistence level. Where there is no opportunity to develop an economy, which has an unemployment rate of 40% with the available jobs paying barely enough survive on. There are people in Gaza who have never known what it is like to eat a full meal.
On top of all this the separation wall is an automated killing machine with remote cameras, sensors and guns. Where cameras and automated guns point directly at people's houses and roofs of houses waiting to detect movement before immediately opening fire.
On top of this again, the IDF regularly bombs the Strip in what they call "mowing the lawn", designed to degrade infrastructure and any development the residents of this concentration camp may have managed to build up since the last time the lawn was mowed.
No one can live under the conditions Israel imposes on the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank.
The only surprising thing about this is that it took as long as it did for the Palestinians to rise up and fight back in anyway they could.
This conflict did not start on October 7th.
You really need to look a bit deeper at the occupation. There are hundreds of videos on YouTube, made by reputable journalists and news organisations that you need to look at and then come back hand on heart and tell us if you would be willing to live under those conditions without wanting to fight for your family, your house, your land and your people.
I think that would mean the end of Israel as a (predominantly) Jewish state. Which means it is a go preceded by a no.This is of course all true, however from Israel’s point of view, why would they want/allow an openly hostile state to develop on their borders?
Of course that only fuels the resentment but that’s more preferable for Israel to having to fight against a more powerful enemy.
The only conclusion I can come to is a single state with equal rights for all.
This is playing right into the hands of China and to some extent Russia.
Then they must give the Palestinians full and equal rights. They cannot keep them in a state of impoverished oppression in perpetuity.This is of course all true, however from Israel’s point of view, why would they want/allow an openly hostile state to develop on their borders?
Of course that only fuels the resentment but that’s more preferable for Israel to having to fight against a more powerful enemy.
The only conclusion I can come to is a single state with equal rights for all.
So Israel should be a racist ideology established and adopted for Jews only?I think that would mean the end of Israel as a (predominantly) Jewish state. Which means it is a go preceded by a no.
If he has been sat on it for 75 years he may be quite sore if indeed the fence remains intact and upright at allMust be fun on your fence mate
Read Goalmole's post and actually and for once without posting general rhetoric, refute anything he has said..please do so..then let us debate...people like you will bring in the lowest common denominator..but go on, read his post and if one comment is wrong call him out..if you wish to bring religion or politics,the West do so but give detail instead of posting inane comments that have no meaning. His post was the essence of this discussion.You mean the guys that have literally sewn up the continent of Africa between themselves and have a history of colonialism themselves?
Got to love these Western loathing posts.