Middle East Conflict

[Uptop]

You only have to read that Grayzone article to realise its lack of integrity. It takes snippets of what happened and attempts to piece together a narrative that almost suggests Hamas came over to southern Israel for a picnic and the IDF opened fire on everyone in sight whether Israeli or Palestinian. Unfortunately for the deniers multiple videos prove otherwise and somehow over 200 Israelis ended up in Gaza when Hamas finished their day out. Max Blumenthal is renowned for his hatred of Israel and will do or say anything to put them in a bad light. There’s enough real examples of the crimes of Netanyahu and his government without having to make up a whole conspiracy narrative based on a few actual isolated incidents reported in the Israeli press.

Grayzone is just straight propaganda, how are things like this still getting linked in here?

 

[west didsblue]

Grayzone is just straight propaganda, how are things like this still getting linked in here?

Some people just want to buy into it. I find it depressing that there are people so consumed with their hatred of Israel that they want to believe what is obviously propaganda. It’s not like there’s a shortage of real things to criticise Israel about but buying into denial of reality and rewriting history to create a new narrative that Hamas haven’t done much wrong and are just a bit misunderstood is taking it to another level.

 

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Some people just want to buy into it. I find it depressing that there are people so consumed with their hatred of Israel that they want to believe what is obviously propaganda. It’s not like there’s a shortage of real things to criticize Israel about but buying into denial of reality and rewriting history to create a new narrative that Hamas haven’t done much wrong and are just a bit misunderstood is taking it to another level.

Use the search function for this thread. You're searching for "Hamas Delenda Est".

 

[BayernMan]

We are still in the “hope” stage…

 

[trueblue1972]

Some people just want to buy into it. I find it depressing that there are people so consumed with their hatred of Israel that they want to believe what is obviously propaganda. It’s not like there’s a shortage of real things to criticise Israel about but buying into denial of reality and rewriting history to create a new narrative that Hamas haven’t done much wrong and are just a bit misunderstood is taking it to another level.

The precise reason I stopped posting

 

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“It could be that the Biden administration is trying behind the scenes … but they probably aren’t getting anywhere. When the Israelis feel that they’re in an existential threat situation, the amount of American leverage drops,”

US has sent Israel data on aid group locations to try to prevent strikes

Among the sites provided to the Israeli government are medical facilities, including Al-Shifa hospital, which Israeli forces raided last week.

www.politico.com

 

[Ducado]

Ok but when you view the global situation post colonialy it becomes clear that the relative lack of freedom is in part a result of the west's actions.

What do you mean by freedom? Freedom of expression is one thing. Free market is another. I view freedom in this context as the freedom to excercise consumer choices which also contributes a lot to identity formation - this is a social construction or even market construction. I dont believe we have full freedom of expression, especially as person marginalised by race with connections to other (marginalised) global cultures.

Furthermore, why do you constantly assume that in Islamic countries the principles of freedom and rights don't exist? They do but just in a framework and context that you fail to recognise.

We have freedom of expression within a framework, which suits most people for sake of argument this type of discussion in say Iran could have you imprisoned

I am quite well traveled and from what I have seen the Liberal Democracy model is the best overall model, it’s my opinion based on lived experiences you are of course to believe otherwise

 

[Ducado]

Some people just want to buy into it. I find it depressing that there are people so consumed with their hatred of Israel that they want to believe what is obviously propaganda. It’s not like there’s a shortage of real things to criticise Israel about but buying into denial of reality and rewriting history to create a new narrative that Hamas haven’t done much wrong and are just a bit misunderstood is taking it to another level.

It’s a classic case of finding evidence to fit your own narrative, if I was to say that all City fans were like extras out of Shameless, I bet if I looked hard enough I could find a random photo that proved my point, or just use AI to make one up, that’s the nature of belief

I will leave this thought provoking passage for people to digest

As Dr. Leonard Orr has noted, the human mind behaves as if it were divided into two parts, the Thinker and the Prover.

The Thinker can think about virtually anything.
(...) The Prover is a much simpler mechanism. It operates on one law only: Whatever the Thinker thinks, the Prover proves. To cite a notorious example which unleashed incredible horrors earlier in this century, if the Thinker thinks that all Jews are rich, the Prover will prove it. It will find evidence that the poorest Jew in the most run-down ghetto has hidden money somewhere. Similarly, Feminists are able to believe that all men, including the starving wretches who live and sleep on the streets, are exploiting all women, including the Queen of England.

Robert Anton Wilson

 

[mexico1970]

Ok but when you view the global situation post colonialy it becomes clear that the relative lack of freedom is in part a result of the west's actions.

What do you mean by freedom? Freedom of expression is one thing. Free market is another. I view freedom in this context as the freedom to excercise consumer choices which also contributes a lot to identity formation - this is a social construction or even market construction. I dont believe we have full freedom of expression, especially as person marginalised by race with connections to other (marginalised) global cultures.

Furthermore, why do you constantly assume that in Islamic countries the principles of freedom and rights don't exist? They do but just in a framework and context that you fail to recognise.

Everything is a social construct mate, and by everything I mean every single little thing we do no matter where we live and what rules we are governed by be it tribal elders or a fully functioning western democracy.

I would rather live by western liberal constructs than let's say Islamic ones, being western and being able to call Boris a **** without getting a knock at the door is a freedom that I enjoy.

 

[BayernMan]

The mental gymnastics to maintain this is fascinating…