Middle East Conflict

[cucumberman]

October 7 testimonies reveal Israel’s military ‘shelling’ Israeli citizens with tanks, missiles - The Grayzone

Israel's military received orders to shell Israeli homes and even their own bases as they were overwhelmed by Hamas militants on October 7. How many Israeli citizens said to have been "burned alive" were actually killed by friendly fire? Several new testimonies by Israeli witnesses to the...

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From 3 weeks ago. Hannibal Directive? Terrible to read.

The origin sources are not from TheGrayZone but from:

1. YNET (Yedioth Ahronoth) (which is Israeli independent news)
2. Haaretz (which is Israeli independent news media)

The source that countered the news was:

1. i24News

Based on interviews from Haaretz and Yedioth Ahnoroth of both the IDF rep (including helicopter pilots, Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari, Brigadier General Avi Rosenfeld, and others) and Israeli citizens (not just Yasmin Porat, but the several car drivers and passengers being shot at by IDF heavy artillery with those who survived close enough to the heavy artillery to yell at IDF that they were Israelis, and were rightly instructed by the cars to head to safety). The helicopters started with two helicopters but eventually after 28 helicopters in total.

The news that countered the Yedioth Ahronoth and Haaretz news media, was i24News, whose CEO Frank Melloul as he explains is in and has been in regular talks with Netanyahu. The still on-going corruption trial on Netanyahu includes the alleged leveraging of i24News for the issuance of a broadcasting license (2019 source: Haaretz as "How i24News Turned pro-Netanyahu to Secure Broadcast License").

If you are interested on the investigation conducted by TheGrayZone investigator and editor-in-chief Max Blumenthal (who personally took photos as evidence on the 7 October sites) on his presentation, and elucidated by Chris Hedges of Brave New Europe. Listen and watch here [Link]. The video here:



As an addendum, some of the photos used as evidence by IDF has been debunked and is very obvious as prompted using Generative AI photos.

Personally I have been on Midjourney since V3 (2021) as an invited closed-beta tester, and in a few seconds can tell that when doctors in surgical gloves have very disjointed ring and pinky fingers, those are 1000% fake, no question. They should have prompted /imagine photorealistic :: hyperrealistic :: hyperdetailed ... v5.2 instead of going for v4. Because v4 creates disjointed fingers.

 

[M16 citeh]

How is that wrong? I don’t think every single person on each side despises the other side or wants them killed, but there is a significant proportion which makes it almost impossible.

As I said If only the solution was that simple or easy..

I don't think the general population on either side wish death upon the other. However Palestinians rightly want justice for what has been a brutal 75 year occupation and expansion. The original settlers rightly wanted justice for the holocaust. Doesn't this have to come from the Europeans rather than at the expense of Palestinians who had nothing to do with this conflic?

 

[M16 citeh]

The individual has been identified by Vice as Stuart Seldowitz.
Seldowitz was deputy director/senior political officer in the U.S. State Department’s Office of Israel and Palestinian Affairs from 1999 to 2003.

The likes of these videos show how deranged and blood thirsty so called liberal western leaders actually are

 

[Ducado]

The individual has been identified by Vice as Stuart Seldowitz.
Seldowitz was deputy director/senior political officer in the U.S. State Department’s Office of Israel and Palestinian Affairs from 1999 to 2003.

The likes of these videos show how deranged and blood thirsty so called liberal western leaders actually are

So you take one video of some bloke (who will most likely lose his job over it and quite rightly) and use it as evidence that Leaders in the West are deranged and blood thirst? The Swedish example could just be a slip of the tongue I presume English is not his native language and sometimes slips can happen when you are thinking in one language and talking in another

 

[Ducado]

More background

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/21/nyregion/seldowitz-vendor-islamophobia-nyc.html

But you do know that jews have been subjected to lots of anti semitism, are you blaming that on Western Leaders?

 

[west didsblue]

The origin sources are not from TheGrayZone but from:

1. YNET (Yedioth Ahronoth) (which is Israeli independent news)
2. Haaretz (which is Israeli independent news media)

The source that countered the news was:

1. i24News

Based on interviews from Haaretz and Yedioth Ahnoroth of both the IDF rep (including helicopter pilots, Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari, Brigadier General Avi Rosenfeld, and others) and Israeli citizens (not just Yasmin Porat, but the several car drivers and passengers being shot at by IDF heavy artillery with those who survived close enough to the heavy artillery to yell at IDF that they were Israelis, and were rightly instructed by the cars to head to safety). The helicopters started with two helicopters but eventually after 28 helicopters in total.

The news that countered the Yedioth Ahronoth and Haaretz news media, was i24News, whose CEO Frank Melloul as he explains is in and has been in regular talks with Netanyahu. The still on-going corruption trial on Netanyahu includes the alleged leveraging of i24News for the issuance of a broadcasting license (2019 source: Haaretz as "How i24News Turned pro-Netanyahu to Secure Broadcast License").

If you are interested on the investigation conducted by TheGrayZone investigator and editor-in-chief Max Blumenthal (who personally took photos as evidence on the 7 October sites) on his presentation, and elucidated by Chris Hedges of Brave New Europe. Listen and watch here [Link]. The video here:



As an addendum, some of the photos used as evidence by IDF has been debunked and is very obvious as prompted using Generative AI photos.

Personally I have been on Midjourney since V3 (2021) as an invited closed-beta tester, and in a few seconds can tell that when doctors in surgical gloves have very disjointed ring and pinky fingers, those are 1000% fake, no question. They should have prompted /imagine photorealistic :: hyperrealistic :: hyperdetailed ... v5.2 instead of going for v4. Because v4 creates disjointed fingers.

The narrative from the Grayzone takes a lot of the original reporting out of context.
Not surprising when Max Blumenthal is a regular contributor to Russia Today, the Iranian Press TV, pro Hezbollah/Assad Al Akhbar and numerous other outlets whose partiality is questionable to say the least. And any video that starts with “The Truth” about an event that will take months to find out all the detail has all the hallmarks of 9/11 Truther nonsense. In other words it’s a biased opinion piece that is trying to rewrite history. It’s the 2023 version of Holocaust denial. Whilst there were undoubtedly friendly fire casualties (hence the Haaretz and Ynet stories), to suggest that friendly fire caused the majority of the deaths is utterly ridiculous.

 

[Ducado]

Again people are posting stuff from X, it's just a echo chamber with very little reliable information or posting half a story or out of context information

 

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Here's a follow-up to the original Greyzone article that's caused the fuss.

Haaretz confirms Grayzone reporting it dismissed as ‘conspiracy’ showing Israel killed own festivalgoers - The Grayzone

Haaretz has yet to admit it jumped the gun when it dismissed The Grayzone’s Max Blumenthal as a ‘conspiracy theorist’ for documenting crucial evidence that Israeli forces killed Israelis on October 7. But new reports by the same outlet show we were right all along. Israeli outlet Haaretz has...

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Incidentally The Socialist Worker claims it was served with a D-Notice at the end of October to do with British special forces deploying to Israel.

UK issues D-Notices to suppress reports of SAS special forces operations in Gaza

D Notices are used by the British state to veto the publication of news damaging to its interests. The slavish collusion of the mainstream media ensures that such notices function as gag orders.

www.wsws.org

RAF admits to making 17 military flights to Israel since Gaza bombing began

But Declassified discovers 33 UK military transport flights to Tel Aviv in the last month, including every day for two weeks after the Gaza bombing began.

www.declassifieduk.org

 

[Tim of the Oak]

The individual has been identified by Vice as Stuart Seldowitz.
Seldowitz was deputy director/senior political officer in the U.S. State Department’s Office of Israel and Palestinian Affairs from 1999 to 2003.

The likes of these videos show how deranged and blood thirsty so called liberal western leaders actually are

I reckon Seldowitz might be demented. Comes across as a loon. He could probably be spouting extremist shite for either side.

 

[M16 citeh]

So you take one video of some bloke (who will most likely lose his job over it and quite rightly) and use it as evidence that Leaders in the West are deranged and blood thirst? The Swedish example could just be a slip of the tongue I presume English is not his native language and sometimes slips can happen when you are thinking in one language and talking in another

Well not really the evidence is in the billions of military aid our leaders send to Israel and the history of the wars we have waged in that region often failing in our aims miserably and destabilising the region but lining our own pockets in the process. The videos are just them letting the mask slip as they hide behind the vale of spreading democracy when usually in the public eye