Middle East Conflict


Like most of its claims in this savage war, Israel’s claim that it is simply exercising its right of self-defence is baseless—or at least hotly disputed. Francesca Albanese, the UN Special Rapporteur on human rights in the occupied Palestinian territories, has noted that under international law this right is only relevant in the case of an armed attack by one state against another state, or if the threat comes from outside. The attack by Hamas, however, was not by a state, nor did it come from outside. It came from an area for which, under international law, Israel is still the occupying power because after its withdrawal it continued to control access to Gaza by land, sea and air. Put simply, one does not have the right to self-defence against a territory that one occupies. In this case, therefore, the self-defence clause, Article 51 of the UN Charter, has no relevance. It is the people under occupation who have under international law the right to resist, including the right to armed resistance. And the Palestinian people are in a unique position: they are the only people living under military occupation who are expected to ensure the security of their occupier.



 
And your point is what exactly? That Isreal attacked itself?

Hamas attacked Isreal. 2,000+ dead - double that injured.

Such casualties as you descibe were minimal not the big deal you make it.

If Hamas hadn't attacked Israel this war wouldn't be taking place. All the anti-Israel bollox and whataboutary in the world can't change that - even though you clearly want it too.

I support any democracies right to exist.
Not keen on Isreal's tactics - But Hamas have spent 15 years fortifying Gaza into an armed camp - so they can attack Isreal using the rest of the Palestinian people as human shields.
Even so considering the amount of ordinance dropped, casualties though horrendous, are relatively light.
Hopefully the US can FORCE Isreal to go about this war as veteran US and UK military commanders have stated - otherwise in the long term Israel will be totally isolated and will, as a result, lose.
Of course many on here will want that as they want Isreal to cease to exist. Of course that will mean the death of 9m Jews but they don't give a shit about them.
This war has no good outcomes.
Defeating Hamas as recomended by veteran Western military commanders is probably the least worst outcome. Sadly I don't think it will happen.
I see you're still peddling the fuckin nonsense of murdered Palestinians being very light in numbers. Over 20'000 dead with 10'000 under the rubble. You've been pulled about this shit before yet you continue to state it.
 
I see you're still peddling the fuckin nonsense of murdered Palestinians being very light in numbers. Over 20'000 dead with 10'000 under the rubble. You've been pulled about this shit before yet you continue to state it.
He's also overstated the number of Israeli victims on 7th October:

Hamas attacked Isreal. 2,000+ dead - double that injured.

The actual number is 695 Israeli civilians, 373 Israeli military and police, and 71 foreign nationals; a total of 1139.

Obviously any number of victims of a terrorist attack is too many - the point I'm making is not that it was "only" 1139 or something. The point is that @BlueAnorak you seem to be going off vibes rather than paying close attention to the actual facts on the ground.
 
I see you're still peddling the fuckin nonsense of murdered Palestinians being very light in numbers. Over 20'000 dead with 10'000 under the rubble. You've been pulled about this shit before yet you continue to state it.
and he continues to misspell Israel. Might have to refer himself to prevent ;-)
 
I support any democracies right to exist.
Not keen on Isreal's tactics - But Hamas have spent 15 years fortifying Gaza into an armed camp - so they can attack Isreal using the rest of the Palestinian people as human shields.
Even so considering the amount of ordinance dropped, casualties though horrendous, are relatively light.
Hopefully the US can FORCE Isreal to go about this war as veteran US and UK military commanders have stated - otherwise in the long term Israel will be totally isolated and will, as a result, lose.
Of course many on here will want that as they want Isreal to cease to exist. Of course that will mean the death of 9m Jews but they don't give a shit about them.
This war has no good outcomes.
Defeating Hamas as recomended by veteran Western military commanders is probably the least worst outcome. Sadly I don't think it will happen.
Not keen ... wow
 

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