Middle East Conflict

[Ducado]

Here's the problem dropping bombs on each other is just making each respective population more war like someone desperately needs to break the cycle, Israel is not going to defeat Hezbollah and Hezbollah are not going destroy Israel what both sides can do is damage each others countries it's just madness and innocent people are suffering

I ask my more hawkish Israeli friends what is the end game and they insist that its the destruction of the Iranian backed proxies in the region, I point out to them that it's never really been done and the last few times countries have tried it it's ended up in ignominious defeat

In the meantime the Russians and the Chinese are loving this, it's eroding support for the Americans across the world, it's eating up military supplies and taking American focus off other regions

 

[Ducado]

U know this fighting won't stop till a Greater Israel is formed. Google what that means and which country. It includes Lebanon, Iraq, part of Saudi.

What nonsense Israel can barely afford to keep the occupied territories it has, you make the mistake of reading the most extreme opinions and then believe they are actual facts

That there are lots of extremists in the Israeli government at the moment is in no doubt, but what they believe and what is achievable are quite different things, for a start where are all the soldiers going to come from? There are Arabs that want to wipe the state of Israel off the map as well, we need to stop listening to the extremes on both sides and talk to the moderate voices

 

[Vic]

What nonsense Israel can barely afford to keep the occupied territories it has, you make the mistake of reading the most extreme opinions and then believe they are actual facts

That there are lots of extremists in the Israeli government at the moment is in no doubt, but what they believe and what is achievable are quite different things, for a start where are all the soldiers going to come from? There are Arabs that want to wipe the state of Israel off the map as well, we need to stop listening to the extremes on both sides and talk to the moderate voices

So it's not achievable?

So they would if they could?

 

[Alvin-blue-qhd]

In the meantime the Russians and the Chinese are loving this, it's eroding support for the Americans across the world, it's eating up military supplies and taking American focus off other regions

Chinese are loving this?
LOL，the Russia-Ukraine war does play a role of "eating up military supplies and taking american focus off".
But gaza? I don't think so.

 

[Ducado]

So it's not achievable?

So they would if they could?

I am sure there are some nutcases who would want it but not your average person in the street just like the opposite opinion, extremist opinion is not a good metric to be even talking about in this war

 

[Vic]

I am sure there are some nutcases who would want it but not your average person in the street just like the opposite opinion, extremist opinion is not a good metric to be even talking about in this war

But they've elected an extremist government.

In the context, it's odd that the religious extremists want to restore the kingdom of David and Solomon, even though the "prophetic" books are fairly clear that most of their kings were Bad Kings (and G-d warned them against having kings in the first place).

 

[DutchSMOKE11]

Some posters cannot come to terms with the Israeli atrocities and what their end game is. You've got Jewish posters who have lived in Israel stating a Genocide is in progress and again the same folk are refusing to accept what the majority of the world is witnessing.

I agree, but rather than focus on the opinion of the public, we should look more closely at the actions of the right-wing government currently in power and their intentions. They clearly have an agenda for creating a "Greater Israel," and this isn't just speculation. There are actual videos online of Israeli government officials discussing this plan—no AI manipulation, just real audio and footage. It’s something that cannot ignored.

 

[TonyM]

I suppose you can't be it if you can't see it

I watched this recently. I thought it was very well done. You get the perspective of the SS men and women. You hear how they were groomed, felt special, determined, patriotic, how they felt that they were under attack from the other side (Communists and Jews and eventually the whole world), how their actions were justified to protect their nation, how they didn't even see people as people, how they were willing to do horrible things in the moment for peace in the long term. It's terrifying really how inhumanity is so rational in certain boots.




Obviously there are vast differences between Israel today and Germany back then. But there are also many similarities.

There were some decent Germans as there are decent Isrealis. It must have been awful for both to see what happened in their name.

 

[inbetween]

What nonsense Israel can barely afford to keep the occupied territories it has, you make the mistake of reading the most extreme opinions and then believe they are actual facts

That there are lots of extremists in the Israeli government at the moment is in no doubt, but what they believe and what is achievable are quite different things, for a start where are all the soldiers going to come from? There are Arabs that want to wipe the state of Israel off the map as well, we need to stop listening to the extremes on both sides and talk to the moderate voices

The real danger that has come to exist is that the Israeli government is going farther than ever before. They're becoming ever more extreme in the sense that this isn't even about terrorism anymore. It's about messaging to the Arab world that Israel cannot be touched and they'll do whatever they want.

At this stage even arms restrictions aren't going to cut it. That would achieve a ceasefire but in the end this whole problem fundamentally requires regime change in Israel. That regime is not plotting peace or a ceasefire, they're plotting to end all territorial claims over Israel by annihilating anybody who dares to act to make such a claim.

They're acting to make the repercussions of all actions against Israel so terrible that nobody will dare to do it and from there they'll do whatever they want. They'll then take all territory from the Palestinians and the Palestinians will be absorbed into the Arab world and essentially erased.

 

[Ducado]

The real danger that has come to exist is that the Israeli government is going farther than ever before. They're becoming ever more extreme in the sense that this isn't even about terrorism anymore. It's about messaging to the Arab world that Israel cannot be touched and they'll do whatever they want.

At this stage even arms restrictions aren't going to cut it. That would achieve a ceasefire but in the end this whole problem fundamentally requires regime change in Israel. That regime is not plotting peace or a ceasefire, they're plotting to end all territorial claims over Israel by annihilating anybody who dares to act to make such a claim.

They're acting to make the repercussions of all actions against Israel so terrible that nobody will dare to do it and from there they'll do whatever they want. They'll then take all territory from the Palestinians and the Palestinians will be absorbed into the Arab world and essentially erased.

It's hard to disagree but Israel is a democracy and governments can be voted out, many think this is a win win for Israel it is not, it needs a functioning economy and at the moment it's starting to malfunction they can't fund a perpetual large scale war, they also don't have the manpower either, due to population sizes losses have a multiplier effect

They are using an old fashioned doctrine that I doubt will work anymore especially as it's adversaries have got more powerful the only way to end this is for a two state solution sooner or later the Israeli body politic will realise that in order to have a country that is accepted into the family of nations a peaceful solution will have to be found