Middle East Conflict

[inbetween]

So the distinction that you said was important to make doesn't apply after all. Glad we cleared that up :)

No, the Israeli's are targeting Hamas, the collateral unfortunately falls on the Palestinian people and that is the fault of Hamas. If Israel was truly targeting Palestinians then they could completely flatten Gaza in a matter of hours.

What do you expect Israel to do? Allow civilians to be murdered, taken hostage, raped, beaten, killed and put on social media and that's the end of it?

Of course they were going to respond and respond harshly but that's the consequence of what Hamas instigated upon its own people on Saturday.

 

[BringBackSwales]

No, the Israeli's are targeting Hamas, the collateral unfortunately falls on the Palestinian people and that is the fault of Hamas. If Israel was truly targeting Palestinians then they could completely flatten Gaza in a matter of hours.

What do you expect Israel to do? Allow civilians to be murdered, taken hostage, raped, beaten, killed and put on social media and that's the end of it?

Of course they were going to respond and respond harshly but that's the consequence of what Hamas instigated upon its own people on Saturday.

As someone with no axe to grind in this (I think it’s appalling dog shite on both sides of the fence) I think you could take a more balanced view - if a population is completely downtrodden by a far mightier power then eventually you are likely to see a rebellion. Nobody doubts the might of Israel’s military, that’s never been in doubt, I just wonder whether the continued subjugation of a people is what you see as the right way forward. Anyway I’m getting involved now and I shouldn’t. For balance what happened at the weekend was disgusting, but ignoring the root cause isn’t the answer, not to me anyway.

 

[Keeper!]

Israel aren't targeting Palestinians, they're targeting Hamas. It's really important to make that distinction.

Bullshit, they will flatten all of Gaza in the name of their god

 

[BobKowalski]

To take a lesson from your earlier post, Palestine was the land of Palestinians long before Ukraine saw itself as an independent Country. One thing they arguably links Ukraine and Israel is that they haven’t been separate countries for all that long ( in the bigger picture of history). I support Ukraine btw.

Yes, but the concept of a Ukrainian nation has been around for several centuries in that people identified as Ukrainian irrespective of who was currently governing/occupying the area. People identifying as Israelites and referencing the land of the Israelites can be found in the Bible.

The modern establishment of both nations is relatively new, but neither sprang into existence out of nothing. There are historical links between the peoples and the geographic regions. And yes, you can say the same for the Palestinians. Given this, the creation of a separate Palestinian state would seem to be the logical solution, but there are people who violently oppose this and determined not to make it happen and even if it did happen, would there be peace? Ukraine and Russia are two separate independent states and yet one still invades the other. There is always some dick getting themselves into power and trying to recreate past glories or past empires or avenge past wrongs, perceived or otherwise.

At some point, people on both sides are going to have to break this cycle. And that will mean consigning the past to the past and looking at a way of creating a future, because what’s happening right now ain’t it.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Where’s Rachel Riley and her camera phone when the serious stuff is happening?

 

[Don Karleone]

Where’s Rachel Riley and her camera phone when the serious stuff is happening?

That's a whoosh moment for me.

 

[Bluemoon_420]

No, the Israeli's are targeting Hamas, the collateral unfortunately falls on the Palestinian people and that is the fault of Hamas. If Israel was truly targeting Palestinians then they could completely flatten Gaza in a matter of hours.

What do you expect Israel to do? Allow civilians to be murdered, taken hostage, raped, beaten, killed and put on social media and that's the end of it?

Of course they were going to respond and respond harshly but that's the consequence of what Hamas instigated upon its own people on Saturday.

You seem to think this started last Saturday! Based on your logic the Israeli’s murdered was a result of their people’s actions over the last 75 years? Or does it only work one way?

 

[Tim of the Oak]

That's a whoosh moment for me.

Lol. I thought she was telepathic how how she can always find the Palestinian needle in a London haystack. It’s about time she goes on tour!

 

[BringBackSwales]

Lol. I thought she was telepathic how how she can always find the Palestinian needle in a London haystack. It’s about time she goes on tour!

That’s a double whoosh from me, straight over my head

 

[Tim of the Oak]

That’s a double whoosh from me, straight over my head

Rachel Riley was an eye witness to Palestinians “celebrating” the terrorist atrocities and waving Palestinian flags out of a car on consecutive days. She said it was just a coincidence because she’d nipped to a London shop