Middle East Conflict

[Roachy]

Sorry can you go further as I’m slightly unsure of the point you’re making.

The point is the existence of The Hague will offer no comfort or consolation to those suffering. It will be of little consideration to those who will be fighting either.

 

[blueinsa]

They should rise up and rid themselves of Hamas, and then what?

You seem to have quite a naive view of the situation or simplistic, the kind of view that thought invading Iraq without a thought for what comes after

It’s no more naive than to expect Israel having seen its people murdered and butchered to sit back and do nothing other than what they are doing now.

Peace will only come about when moderates on both sides sit around the table.

Israel is capable of voting in moderates but even they won’t sit down with an organisation like Hamas with its stated goals. Hamas hasn’t produced a map that shows what they require for peace other than one in which Israel does not exist.

 

[Ducado]

It’s no more naive than to expect Israel having seen its people murdered and butchered to sit back and do nothing other than what they are doing now.

Peace will only come about when moderates on both sides sit around the table.

Israel is capable of voting in moderates but even they won’t sit down with an organisation like Hamas with its stated goals. Hamas hasn’t produced a map that shows what they require for peace other than one in which Israel does not exist.

Not once have I said that Israel should not respond and sit back, but organisations like Hamas are only created out of hopelessness and poverty

 

[Ducado]

I hope you are correct about America’s role but I am not sure the sending of military ships and aircraft send the right message in relation to restraint.

Just a terrible situation.

It's a symbolic gesture, I honestly believe that the americans will do anything not to get sucked into a Middle East war

 

[inbetween]

They should rise up and rid themselves of Hamas, and then what?

You seem to have quite a naive view of the situation or simplistic, the kind of view that thought invading Iraq without a thought for what comes after

The problem with Hamas is they're a religious terrorist organisation. Many in Palestine will support Hamas because they feel it as a religious duty but that's how terrorists take advantage. Combating Israel is part and parcel of their mission and that fight goes beyond trying to return land grabs.

The only way Palestinians will be free is if it gains some form of calm and preferably democratic government which puts the Palestinian people first. That government will then need to negotiate a future with Israel, preferably two states which live harmoniously in that region. This won't happen because the extremists in Hamas explicitly do not believe that Israel has any right to exist and peaceful compromise isn't in their vocabulary.

Nothing sums it up more than the response from places like Qatar who are housing Hamas. Why don't these countries open their gates, send the Palestinian people to safety and leave the politics of war to Hamas? They won't do it because the Palestinian people are the only tool that Hamas has and ultimately the political structure of Hamas and it's ability to fight would subsequently be wiped out.

 

[blueinsa]

Not once have I said that Israel should not respond and sit back, but organisations like Hamas are only created out of hopelessness and poverty

They are created out of a warped view of Islam by evil men who want nothing but power and control with little to no care about any sort of benefit for the people they pretend to care for.

To think they only want to deliver their people from hopelessness and poverty is simply not believable I’m afraid.

 

[Bluemoon_420]

 

[Brightwell’s left peg]

That ideology comes from putting people in a hopeless pressure cooker situation

Iran is different that are looking for reginal leadership, however extremism will flourish where people have no hope of a better future, we see it here in the West, we don't have to look far look at Northern Ireland, the vast majority of active Provo's were not wealthy middle class Catholics, they were the poor and marginalised who had nothing to live for, and wanted a way to hit back at a system that had put them there, of course they had a cause (just like the Palestinians do) put the cause was just something to hand their hats on

Again we need to look at the route cause of all this and fix it, otherwise we keep going around in endless circles of horror

So we need to fix the old testament then and any reference to the promised land therein?

 

[The blue phantom]

They are created out of a warped view of Islam by evil men who want nothing but power and control with little to no care about any sort of benefit for the people they pretend to care for.

To think they only want to deliver their people from hopelessness and poverty is simply not believable I’m afraid.

He said Hamas is created by Hopelessness and Poverty.

 

[Ithryn Luin]

The root cause is the failure to give the Palestinians a meaningful contiguous state of their own and allowing the creation and expansion of settlements on land that really belongs to the Palestinians

But that statement is not true, many times they have turned down offers of a large state but have been pressured not to accept by various Arab states!

This is a good and interesting watch from the early 70's!