Middle East Conflict

Pelegrinni said:
Hamas is not lying low. They plan to draw the Israeli soldiers into urban battle in order to inflict more casualties.
This battle is not going to be easy as many people think.
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Urban warfare is difficult and bloody. Creating ruined buildings makes it easier for the defenders to defend and the ratio for attackers to defenders that you need is around 3 to 1 at a minimum.

Civilian casualties will be off the charts.

Question is, does Israel commit ground forces or stick with arial attacks. Ariel attacks are unlikely to dislodge Hamas. And if the endgame is not the removal of Hamas then what is it all for?

And if Israel does remove Hamas then what? Someone has to administer and run a ruined city with a population of around 2m. If Israel doesn’t want to know then it will be Hamas mk II who will end up doing so and we are back where we started.

So, what is Israel’s endgame? Does anyone know? More to the point, does Israel have one?
 
Pelegrinni said:
Well, what do you suggest that Israel do?
Israel has treated the Palestinians better than Bashar Al-Assad has treated his own people.
I didn't see these outrage. Or is it that Syrian lives don't matter?
Saudis have been bombing Yemen back to the stone age. Yet no outrage. Israel is defending their country and this leads to outrage. This is what I will never understand.
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What a bizarre statement, you beat your other half but it's not as bad as his\her ex did

Congratulation's you've won the gold in Mental Gymnastics there's been some stiff competition but you've knocked them out of the ring
 
Bluemoon_420 said:
Oh how noble of them for ethnically cleansing a few hundred thousand, imposing an apartheid regime and creating the biggest open air prison in the world amongst all of the other nefarious actions. Your ignorance knows no bounds.
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Actually, the Palestinian population has been growing contrary to what you stated.
Open air prison can only happen if both Egypt and Israel close their borders.
At least we understand that if Israel opens their borders, there will be more Jews murdered like we saw on Saturday. What is Egypt's excuse?
 
Tim of the Oak said:
Maybe you could make your question clearer in future. You have a habit of jumping to assumptions.

I have credited the skill of Jewish lobbyists. You also omitted considering my references to "a bit" and "indirectly" and made stuff up about the black hand of lobbyists. Clearly it was an advantage to the Conservative Party in recent years if Labour were getting through a civil war. A significant part of that civil war was Corbyn's failure to respond properly to allegations of anti-semitism. Some Labour officials were reported to have worked with pressure groups to raise their concerns. That's their business. Sunak has benefitted in the round from Labour not getting into power.

Maybe you could set out your own views in future rather than just trying to feed off other people's posts.
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Like I said, you’re just peddling stereotypes - here for example the classic Jewish stereotype about influence and power - and the various excuses you’ve trotted out above can’t disguise the fact.

I’m afraid that when you’re peddling these stereotypes - you wrote about the role of Jewish lobbyists putting Sunak in power and him consequently owing Israel as a result, just to jog your memory - adding in the odd ‘bit’ or ‘indirect’ here and there doesn’t make a jot of difference. It’s just you trying to dress up your nonsense and if you post this sort of shit you should expect a response.
 
BobKowalski said:
Urban warfare is difficult and bloody. Creating ruined buildings makes it easier for the defenders to defend and the ratio for attackers to defenders that you need is around 3 to 1 at a minimum.

Civilian casualties will be off the charts.

Question is, does Israel commit ground forces or stick with arial attacks. Ariel attacks are unlikely to dislodge Hamas. And if the endgame is not the removal of Hamas then what is it all for?

And if Israel does remove Hamas then what? Someone has to administer and run a ruined city with a population of around 2m. If Israel doesn’t want to know then it will be Hamas mk II who will end up doing so and we are back where we started.

So, what is Israel’s endgame? Does anyone know? More to the point, does Israel have one?
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Very good points, it's what comes after and not one person is actually talking about it

The options I have read are pretty extreme, some in Israel would like to completely depopulate Gaza and just annex the land, but that would only work if someone would take 2 million refugees they won't mainly because of this that's why the border with Egypt is so tightly controlled

Or occupy the strip, but there would be ongoing attacks and they would be responsible for 2 million people,

Destroy it then withdraw? Sod the civilians
 
Brewster's millions said:
Like I said, you’re just peddling stereotypes - here for example the classic Jewish stereotype about influence and power - and the various excuses you’ve trotted out above can’t disguise the fact.

I’m afraid that when you’re peddling these stereotypes - you wrote about the role of Jewish lobbyists putting Sunak in power and him consequently owing Israel as a result, just to jog your memory - adding in the odd ‘bit’ or ‘indirect’ here and there doesn’t make a jot of difference. It’s just you trying to dress up your nonsense and if you post this sort of shit you should expect a response.
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I think you are peddling stereotypes yourself. I've worked for Government and skilled lobbyists is an important role. If you are doubting that the Friends of Israel etc are good at lobbying then you are deluded.

It would be easy to ignore sensitive issues and give free reign to knuckle draggers.
 
Pelegrinni said:
Actually, the Palestinian population has been growing contrary to what you stated.
Open air prison can only happen if both Egypt and Israel close their borders.
At least we understand that if Israel opens their borders, there will be more Jews murdered like we saw on Saturday. What is Egypt's excuse?
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Definition of ethnic cleansing: the mass expulsion or killing of members of one ethnic or religious group in an area by those of another.

The borders are one of the underlying causes of why Hamas exist in the first place. Let’s not forget they were propped up Bibi and his cronies to displace Fatah, who by the way were open to a two state solution!

Egypt?!? Even if they opened their borders, it would mean the Gazans would never be able to return. There’s no right of return for them!
 
Bluemoon_420 said:
Definition of ethnic cleansing: the mass expulsion or killing of members of one ethnic or religious group in an area by those of another.

The borders are one of the underlying causes of why Hamas exist in the first place. Let’s not forget they were propped up Bibi and his cronies to displace Fatah, who by the way were open to a two state solution!

Egypt?!? Even if they opened their borders, it would mean the Gazans would never be able to return. There’s no right of return for them!
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The population of Gaza has increased fourfold within the past three to four decades. So where is the proof of ethnic cleansing?
Egypt is a sovereign state. What is their reason for refusing the Palestinians the right to return home?
 
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